Twitter feed for Project Developments / Official News Channel?

Sector11 · 2017-01-22 03:20:58

ioroboto wrote:

Unless BL shuts out community development entirely you don't really get much of a choice

I'm sorry, but we do have a choice. That is one of the best things about Linux, we have a choice.

And this forum won't shut out community involvement in the development of Bunsen. That was one of the driving principles of opening this forum. A single common place to support Bunsen.

Also from what I see here the "devs" are not supporting your idea. While they have not said no, I'm the only one that has quite plainly said no, they are not supporting it.

BTW, Bunsen isn't about becoming big, it isn't about becoming the most popular, it's about a "Debian-OB-Tint2" distro in the tradition of #!, that's it.

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I do not like and will not join any social media.

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balloon · 2017-01-22 06:29:15

When I see this forum, Twitter tweet is displayed next to that window.
Japan is one of the countries Twitter is often used for.
About this topic, I was thinking while watching comments.

I understand the BunsenLabs community is mainly on the forum,
taking over CrunchBang.

I know TwitterBot to spread tweet of BunsenLabs
and Facebook Group taken over from CrunchBang:
https://twitter.com/bunsenlabsbot
https://www.facebook.com/groups/43721619798/

These are not official, users will be creating voluntarily.
but users who like these exist.

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ohnonot · 2017-01-22 08:48:17

ioroboto wrote:

The fact is Crunchbang is no longer in development, without considering why this might be BL has every chance of heading in the same direction.

i think you should consider why.
crunchbang was a one-man project. its community was strong. that one man at some point said: big warning, i'm not going to continue this anymore. the community said: ok, we will. and they did!
the only thing that one original man asked is that people don't use the name crunchbang anymore.

considering this you will understand that at no point was there any dramatic "heading in a certain direction" involved there, and anyway it is now "owned" and maintained by a group of people, so it's not up to 1 person to end it.

the magic of bunsenlabs is that it strives to stay as close as possible to debian stable - even more so than crunchbang: all binary packages are from debian stable (and a few backports i believe) repositories, no mucking about. less is more.
this brings me back to my original criticism of "expansionism" - it is a concept taken straight from a competitive (whether for financial gain or other values) frame of mind where you have to "come up with something new" all the time so you don't "lose clients" - in our scenario this frame of mind doesn't apply.

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all that said, yes, people do post about bunsenlabs on twitter, facebook and reddit, but i don't see any point in encouraging that. keeping an officially approved forum is the only way to provide officially approved help advice.
after all, running a distro like bunsenlabs requires the ability to open a text editor and/or terminal and edit config files by hand.
now if you(*) can't even use a "classic" online forum because it's not mobile friendly or pre-digesting content for you, what does that say about your ability to maintain a distro like bunsenlabs?

(*) i.e. any hypothetical user that prefers to solve computer problems over social media

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ioroboto · 2017-01-22 10:28:17

Retracted. Sorry, I can't repeat myself forever, this doesn't appear to be going anywhere.

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damo · 2017-01-22 10:29:18

ohnonot wrote:

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now if you can't even use a "classic" online forum because it's not mobile friendly or pre-digesting content for you, what does that say about your ability to maintain a distro like bunsenlabs?

That was unecessary Let's keep it respectful please - the OP is.

Sector11 · 2017-01-22 13:03:54

Right or wrong, good or bad, wanted or not, balloon's posted links pretty well makes this entire thread a non issue!

balloon wrote:

I know TwitterBot to spread tweet of BunsenLabs
and Facebook Group taken over from CrunchBang:
https://twitter.com/bunsenlabsbot
https://www.facebook.com/groups/43721619798/
These are not official, users will be creating voluntarily.
but users who like these exist.

They already exist as much as ioroboto said so in his OP, but lets look at the meat of the thing:

ioroboto wrote:

Does BunsenLabs have or want a Social Media Coordinator?

I'm of the opinion that IF we did, we'd be more comfortable asking someone that we know from the forums that has a proven track record of helping people.

nobody · 2017-01-22 15:49:07

For the record: The only off-site community around BL that has a significant following is BunsenLabs en Español on G+ https://plus.google.com/communities/102 … 9831191422. I did at some point create a BL FB page just for the lulz https://www.facebook.com/BunsenLabs/ but that was only for people to be able to 'like' BL (no maintenance or support). The twitter handle is taken anyways. I do not think that doing more at this front is worth the effort…

Thanks for the offer though, ioroboto. If you're a CS/EE person, you should have no shortage of other professional and hobby projects to work on right

ohnonot · 2017-01-23 07:18:22

damo wrote:

ohnonot wrote:
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now if you can't even use a "classic" online forum because it's not mobile friendly or pre-digesting content for you, what does that say about your ability to maintain a distro like bunsenlabs?
That was unecessary Let's keep it respectful please - the OP is.

context, CONTEXT please!
this wasn't directed at op at all!
"You" in this context is any hypothetical user that prefers to solve computer problems over social media, instead a "classic" forum (clarification added to post)

sorry to ioroboto if you don't feel it that way, but i am respectful. i just won't budge.

o9000 · 2017-01-23 14:03:12

The biggest problem with "social" media is that you no longer get to moderate or even own the content. You can "post" there, but it's not really your website. Any content you post becomes their property. That means you lose control in many different ways, and the problems caused by this exceed the small benefit, which is the larger audience. Which I'm not sure is a benefit at all, as other people have pointed out already in this thread.

However, I think there is some merit to an aspect of what the OP is asking: we could have something like a blog, or even just a plain HTML subpage on www.bunsenlabs.org, that presents a digest of the recent changes. A "What's New" or "Change Log" page if you want, updated on each release or RC. It could point to the full git log for those interested, and for comments it would just redirect the user to the forum. This would make it easier for newcomers, or even forum members who do not follow the development threads regularly, to get up to speed on what has been going on.

Personally I have trouble following the forums for weeks or months in a row when I have deadlines at work, and when I'm back I have no idea what's been going on. Reading the forum can be fun, but it's difficult to separate opinions from actual decisions. Reading the git log is not fun at all

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ohnonot · 2017-01-24 17:39:02

o9000 wrote:

A "What's New" or "Change Log" page if you want, updated on each release or RC.

johnraff wrote:

twoion wrote:
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/extern.ph … &type=atom
A timely reminder that all posts and replies in that forum get broadcast out to Planet Debian. Let's make an effort to keep our replies to announcements there meaningful and with minimal inanity count! ( Including myself in that warning. )

this is the rss feed of the news & announcements forum section (where normal trolls like me aren't allowed to post afaiu) - i think it comes pretty close to what you're suggesting, o9000. i agree it would be nicer to have it asd a formatted web page, but not if that subtracts energy from actual distro development.

nobody · 2017-01-24 19:57:26

ohnonot wrote:

o9000 wrote:
A "What's New" or "Change Log" page if you want, updated on each release or RC.
johnraff wrote:
twoion wrote:
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/extern.ph … &type=atom
A timely reminder that all posts and replies in that forum get broadcast out to Planet Debian. Let's make an effort to keep our replies to announcements there meaningful and with minimal inanity count! ( Including myself in that warning. )
this is the rss feed of the news & announcements forum section (where normal trolls like me aren't allowed to post afaiu) - i think it comes pretty close to what you're suggesting, o9000. i agree it would be nicer to have it asd a formatted web page, but not if that subtracts energy from actual distro development.

I've diverted a couple of minutes: https://www.bunsenlabs.org/news.html. Does that look like it does serve the purpose?

ohnonot · 2017-01-25 07:24:53

i think it looks very useful.
the News page is one of the things i look for when trying to assess some software/distro through its webpage.
an "older entries" button at the bottom would be nice (even if it only links to the news & announcement section of the forums)...

o9000 · 2017-01-25 08:30:40

That is useful, but it is still not a changelog. By changelog I mean: https://github.com/linuxfoundation/cii- … riteria.md see section "Release notes (ChangeLog)"

As a potential example, the Manjaro news page: https://manjaro.org/news/ <<<- This is what I mean. What exactly has changed in the software.

Or the FreeBSD news page: https://www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash.html

I know they are bigger projects, if you think it takes too much effort, so be it.

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