Twitter feed for Project Developments / Official News Channel?

ioroboto · 2017-01-16 23:49:56

I noticed there wasn't one (sort of). It might make it easier for more novice users resolving bug updates who might not otherwise have access to the forums. It's also very useful if the BL website should go down for any reason.

I know there's the 'RSSbot' and @Bunsenlabs , but the RSSbot is mostly relaying information relevant only to those actually involved in development. For example it will ask @bunsenlabs a question but the @bunsenlabs doesn't actually provide answers in the @bunsenlabs twitter feed.

The answers ONLY could be provided in an official channel "Mr. Beaker" isn't answering any questions is kind of what I mean. Does BunsenLabs have or want a Social Media Coordinator?

Thanks guys

Sector11 · 2017-01-17 00:19:29

Personal Opinion: No!

To Twitter, to Facebook or any other 'social media'

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-01-17 07:17:18

ioroboto wrote:

Does BunsenLabs have or want a Social Media Coordinator?

Not that I know of, but I may be wrong.

I am allergic to social media so I'm afraid I wouldn't know what to do with your request but it does sound like an interesting idea.

dolly · 2017-01-17 08:34:33

Personally I do not think it is necessary, the forums cover the news adequately enough.

ioroboto · 2017-01-17 09:05:54

Social Media could be an effective means for drawing in talented people who might be interested in helping with development. Of course not everyone likes social media (personally, I don't watch the news / block FB news feed haha..) but good projects bring in good talent in my experience and the best communications method available to date is Social Media.

It's definitely not 'necessary' per se, but it could be helpful. It generally doesn't hurt to try and seeing as BL does show links to its mentions in Tech Blogs I'm assuming they aren't trying to keep BL a secret. Also, it's a little hard for people to find the forums if they don't even know BL exists. I found #! / BL by accident.

I promise no one would be forced to use social media against their will

Thanks Head_on_a_Stick, I try to keep em interesting

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ohnonot · 2017-01-20 08:05:46

ioroboto wrote:

Social Media could be an effective means for drawing in talented people who might be interested in helping with development.

that's just expansionistic way of thinking.
maybe works in $DAYJOB or $COMPANY, but not here. different laws.

ioroboto · 2017-01-20 08:30:20

Would you mind elaborating? I don't see how what you have said makes any sense. I used to run a not-for-profit and expansion was a useful means of finding volunteers to donate their time. Besides that, I like Linux for its inclusiveness, expansion isn't so much about finding extra hands as it is about letting people know about something that you think is great. I am aware this is not a business.

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damo · 2017-01-20 13:55:51

It makes sense in that our "philosophy" is of a group of enthusiasts wanting to produce and maintain a lightweight Debian distro, with no particular aim of promoting it.

The support question is different though. The more new users there are, the bigger the load, and previous discussions have settled on the forums being an adequate place to deal with it. I also am allergic to "Social Media" so I don't know how the proposal would work in practice, but I am willing to be enlightened

ioroboto · 2017-01-21 06:56:18

I agree with the Philosophy entirely, that's why I'm a big fan of BunsenLabs. It was similar to something I had produced myself.

The support question is what I'm getting at, though. I agree that a larger user base increases the load - which is why I think social media would be a useful way of fielding that kind of support rather than the forums getting overrun with innate questions.

edit: yes,inane (lolz)

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damo · 2017-01-21 09:29:02

ioroboto wrote:

.....
The support question is what I'm getting at, though. I agree that a larger user base increases the load - which is why I think social media would be a useful way of fielding that kind of support rather than the forums getting overrun with innate questions.

I guess you meant "inane questions"?

But there would need to be continuous monitoring, so that "inane answers" can be corrected before too much damage has been done. (Care to guess how many people would be recommended to install from ppa's, by enthusiastic newcomers? )

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-01-21 10:51:27

ioroboto wrote:

the forums getting overrun with innate questions.

I have more faith in our users, they tend to be connoisseurs and people of fine taste

Also, what damo said.

nobody · 2017-01-21 11:36:32

http://planet.debian.org/deriv/

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/extern.ph … &type=atom

https://www.bunsenlabs.org/gitlog.html

martix · 2017-01-21 11:56:31

I'm not sure people on fb or twitter would have the mental ressources to run a distro like BunsenLabs.

I'm just joking.

Anyhow, I like the oldschool no-social-nonsense approach.

ioroboto · 2017-01-21 21:17:33

damo wrote:

I guess you meant "inane questions"?
But there would need to be continuous monitoring, so that "inane answers" can be corrected before too much damage has been done. (Care to guess how many people would be recommended to install from ppa's, by enthusiastic newcomers? )

haha.. you are correct. I always get the two mixed up.

The continuous monitoring is kind of what I'm getting at, it sounds impossible now, but by expanding the user base you also happen to get more people to deal with support.

It's kind of a way of finding a solution to a problem before it exists, social media just happens to be a more efficient means of resolving support issues.

ioroboto · 2017-01-21 21:19:12

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I have more faith in our users, they tend to be connoisseurs and people of fine taste

I couldn't agree more

martix wrote:

I'm just joking.

Mate, I like the cut of your jib

edit: oops. sorry I did not mean to double post, I meant to just grab the quote, is there a delete button on this thing?

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ohnonot · 2017-01-21 22:22:36

ioroboto wrote:

The continuous monitoring is kind of what I'm getting at, it sounds impossible now, but by expanding the user base you also happen to get more people to deal with support.

which is exactly what happens on the forums and what their purpose is.

It's kind of a way of finding a solution to a problem before it exists, social media just happens to be a more efficient means of resolving support issues.

i couldn't disagree more.
firstly, you're not backing these statements with any facts. it's just hot air.
and even if you were, it is my opinion that a certain level of dedication (the forum registration in this case, and actually logging in and reading and taking the time to formulate a reply even if it's longer than 144 characters) keeps the whole thing sane - otherwise there's too many drivers-by that just spout some nonsense. i made the experience of facebook having a detrimental effect on a community, and it was then pushed with very much the same words as you do now.

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damo · 2017-01-21 23:02:16

ohnonot wrote:

... it is my opinion that a certain level of dedication (the forum registration in this case, and actually logging in and reading and taking the time to formulate a reply even if it's longer than 144 characters) keeps the whole thing sane - otherwise there's too many drivers-by that just spout some nonsense.....

This lends weight to my feeling that a significant "social media" presence might actually be harmful to Bunsenlabs.

Sector11 · 2017-01-22 02:08:06

damo wrote:

(Care to guess how many people would be recommended to install from ppa's, by enthusiastic newcomers? hmm )

OH NO! Too many would be my guess.

Let's say we do. We start with Facebook and Twitter ... someone doesn't like FB so they start one in Bebo, their favourite hangout. Then someone decides Viadeo is good, as it's available in their native language. And then Bob, over on the west coast of ....

By now the 'devs' have lost control and what started as a small community of ex-#!er's carrying on a tradition because they love the Debian-OpenBox-Tint2 experience has become a nightmare of Forums, FaceBook, Twitter, Bebo and Viadeo. It would be possible to have the same question asked in half a dozen places around the web with as many response - maybe all different and none correct.

A small rock, in the summer, or a lump of snow in the winter, on the side of mountain kicked loose by animal X and it soon becomes unstoppable and out of control. It may not go like that, but ...

This forum is "Home", this is a comfortable little community with a common interest, personal support and help to have BunsenLabs develop naturally. This forum also has a social aspect, we have our areas of relaxation and chitchat about other things. And Coffee - we have a great coffee room, just don't touch damo's biscuits, he gets a little upset. {sorry, I had to say that}

Just my 2¢ worth.

johnraff · 2017-01-22 02:20:14

twoion wrote:

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/extern.ph … &type=atom

A timely reminder that all posts and replies in that forum get broadcast out to Planet Debian. Let's make an effort to keep our replies to announcements there meaningful and with minimal inanity count! ( Including myself in that warning. )

ioroboto · 2017-01-22 02:52:35

ohnonot wrote:

firstly, you're not backing these statements with any facts. it's just hot air.

The fact is Crunchbang is no longer in development, without considering why this might be BL has every chance of heading in the same direction. I'm trying to help by making a suggestion that I believe could help, and I welcome criticism but please avoid dismissing my idea as 'hot air'. This is a suggestions forum, such insults serve no useful purpose.

Sector11 wrote:

Let's say we do. We start with Facebook and Twitter ... someone doesn't like FB so they start one in Bebo, their favourite hangout. Then someone decides Viadeo is good, as it's available in their native language. And then Bob, over on the west coast of ....
By now the 'devs' have lost control and what started as a small community of ex-#!er's carrying on a tradition because they love the Debian-OpenBox-Tint2 experience has become a nightmare of Forums, FaceBook, Twitter, Bebo and Viadeo.

I can absolutely see what you mean, but the problem is there might not be much of a choice. while it is great that a project can grow naturally - the bigger it gets the harder it is to control. Unless BL shuts out community development entirely you don't really get much of a choice, so my idea is simply to stay a step ahead. I'm not saying shut down the forums and switch to social media (jk btw), I'm saying it could prove useful to control how that social media is used so as to avoid the project becoming convoluted. It's more of an idea of how to avoid forking (I mean I love forking, but still... so much Linux haha).

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