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johnraff · 2021-04-25 07:18:03

Debian Installer Bullseye RC 1 release

This is a Release Candidate of the installer but the Bullseye system that it installs is not so far away from ready now either.

Anyway, details of the installer:
https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-ins … 1/20210423

Downloads:
https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/

hhh · 2021-04-25 17:38:50

johnraff wrote:

... but the Bullseye system that it installs is not so far away from ready now either.

Debian is talking late June/early July, as usual. There have been some big apt-updates since the soft-freeze in February, but things have been stable throughout and the updates have slowed dramatically. New packages came through today after a week of nothing, all six of them.

firefox-esr libpython3-stdlib libruby2.7 python3 python3-minimal ruby2.7

johnraff · 2021-04-26 03:03:17

There has been a lot of activity on the debian-boot list, and at least three important issues remain to be fixed in the installer (a amdgpu graphics thing, broken rescue mode and something with switching languages...). It feels as if the rest of Debian are eager to get Bullseye out - talk of May 22 - while the D-I people are feeling under pressure and want to shift it to June at least. So @hhh your prediction of late June/early July fits that scenario (where did you get that info?).

Start reading this mailing list thread from here to get an idea of what's happening:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-release … 00626.html

D-I dev wrote:

Can we please *not* release with black screens for AMD users?

hhh · 2021-04-26 03:48:38

johnraff wrote:

So @hhh your prediction of late June/early July fits that scenario (where did you get that info?).

I thought I had read that that was the proposed timeline at about the time of the soft-freeze, but I might have just been deducing the info. This was the mailing list link, I think...

https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-a … 00002.html

And the Freeze Policy...

https://release.debian.org/bullseye/freeze_policy.html

Also, buster was released in late June/early July after a similar freeze schedule.

johnraff · 2021-04-26 05:26:08

Anyway, let's try not to be too long after that with Beryllium...

DeepDayze · 2021-04-27 01:16:20

johnraff wrote:

Anyway, let's try not to be too long after that with Beryllium...

Lithium took a good while after buster but attributed that to the additional internal infrastructural work to support the new BL session for example. Hopefully it won't now take quite that long to get Beryllium released

Fingers crossed hopefully by no later than say September for Beryllium!!!

hhh · 2021-04-27 02:19:35

DeepDayze wrote:

johnraff wrote:
Anyway, let's try not to be too long after that with Beryllium...
Lithium took a good while after buster but attributed that to the additional internal infrastructural work to support the new BL session for example. Hopefully it won't now take quite that long to get Beryllium released
Fingers crossed hopefully by no later than say September for Beryllium!!!

Yes, that was a big part of the delay, John's more-or-less last minute, brilliant ideas for making BL even more modular and future-ready.

Picom replacing compton, I don't know how much we've tested picom, or even if we have any default config file yet, but it's a direct fork. Should be mostly the same other than file names.

I'm hoping we'll have it by late July, but we'll release it when it's ready, in the true spirit of Debian.

Beryllium. Can't say I'm thrilled with the name. Certainly not as catchy as Lithium, or Hydrogen or Helium. Periodic table, step up your game!

What? Boron is next up? *looks at the periodic table for the names of the next ten releases*

I'm good. We might have an argument about the spelling of aluminum many years from now when it's turn is up, but I'm good.

Aluminum. You Brits should listen to yourselves. "Brevity is the soul of wit."

- some Brit Dude

Americans, hood, Brits, bonnet.

Brits, lift, Americans, elevator.

The Brits pull ahead.

Americans, wrench, Brits, spanner.

Americans, truck, Brits, lorry.

Tied again. (That's Boris Johnson math I'm using.)

Americans, MAGA, Brits, Brexit. Still tied, they both lose.

Americans, USS Arizona, Brits, Boaty McBoatface.

The Brits win by a syllable. Damn their dry wit!

DeepDayze · 2021-04-27 03:24:42

Lol don't the Brits spell Aluminum as Aluminium? Will be an interesting debate once that element is up

Of all the BL releases I'd say Helium was darn rock solid but Lithium is the stepping stone for the future!

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ohnonot · 2021-04-27 05:14:19

DeepDayze wrote:

Lol don't the Brits spell Aluminum as Aluminium?

Not just the Brits.
Most of the world spells it with an additional "i" - including Latin and hence, science.

Funny, people make up all sorts of "isms" that supposedly discriminate against certain groups of people, but this "Britism" hasn't been named yet.

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manyroads · 2021-04-27 13:18:15

By way of name... I know no one wants one... I like: argentum = silver on the path to platinum...

Last edited by manyroads (2021-04-27 13:18:30)

hhh · 2021-05-02 22:24:24

The new Fedora is out and features a replacement for the troublesome PulseAudio, and the even more troublesome Jack audio system, PipeWire...

https://pipewire.org/

https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/17/ … 4_preview/

Not a candidate for BL Beryllium, but probably the release after that.

ohnonot · 2021-05-03 04:55:21

PipeWire...

Oh, that's the first I hear of it.
Seems Archlinux already fully supports it, all packages are in the main repos (i.e. [extra], not even [community]).

hhh · 2021-05-03 13:12:51

^ Intriguing, right?

https://wiki.debian.org/PipeWire

https://packages.debian.org/source/testing/pipewire

Döbbie03 · 2021-05-04 06:22:49

I have been testing Pipewire and it seems to run fine for a few hours of solid music listening and then all of a sudden I seem to hit like a bottleneck of sorts and I get stuttering music and really crappy audio.

Switch back to pulseaudio and no more issues.

ohnonot · 2021-05-04 06:27:00

^ it took pulseaudio decades to get that sort of issues right, didn't it.
But - as they promise - combining JACK and Pulse into one sounds intriguing.

jeffreyC · 2021-05-04 19:58:36

ohnonot wrote:

^ it took pulseaudio decades to get that sort of issues right, didn't it.
But - as they promise - combining JACK and Pulse into one sounds intriguing.

So in other words pretty much as expected for Lennartware.

ohnonot · 2021-05-06 17:07:37

^ sorry, are you saying Pipewire is Lennartware? Not sure I understood.

jeffreyC · 2021-05-07 01:22:05

ohnonot wrote:

^ sorry, are you saying Pipewire is Lennartware? Not sure I understood.

Sorry no, that was directed towards pulseaudio which was inflicted upon us in a pre-alpha state.

hhh · 2021-05-07 01:25:37

jeffreyC wrote:

ohnonot wrote:
^ sorry, are you saying Pipewire is Lennartware? Not sure I understood.
Sorry no, that was directed towards pulseaudio which was inflicted upon us in a pre-alpha state.

And which was an L. Pott creation.

o9000 · 2021-05-07 06:36:01

jeffreyC wrote:

pulseaudio which was inflicted upon us in a pre-alpha state.

Surely the community has learned the lesson and will not push pipewire prematurely, right? ... Right?!

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