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#1 2016-05-14 07:09:06

ghorvath
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The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

I have just installed Bunsenlabs i686-pae on a machine with 2 GB RAM (the maximum it supports), AMD Athlon 2200+ CPU (1.5 GHz, supports pae, does not support 64 bit), bought in 2004. It is my mother-in-law's machine. It ran Crunchbang previously, and I was surprised that Bunsenlabs is similarly snappy, maybe even boots a bit faster. I managed to make youtube work by downloading the 10.3 libflashplayer.so and put it into /usr/local/lib/flashplayer-plugin/, because this CPU does not support sse2, and adobe flash stopped supporting non-sse2 capable CPUs. The installation was a bit fun, because its BIOS is faulty and you cannot boot Linux from USB disk. Thus I had to move the kernel and image files of the installer to the previous GRUB, and boot that while having the USB stick plugged in. :-)

I also have a very old Acer Travelmate 210 laptop (my father bought it before 2000, cannot remember exactly when) with 512 MB RAM (the maximum it supports), Pentium Celeron 700 MHz (supports pae, does not support 64 bit) with 10 GB HDD (still the original), and similarly, does not boot from USB without the hack above. Currently it runs wheezy-fied Crunchbang, and it works basically all right. Not really using it for anything but listening to music (with moc) and ssh-ing to other machines, but openbox works on it, and it can even browse the web (with quite a lag I have to say). If I log in to cli, it uses <50 MB RAM. I still have not upgraded it to Bunsenlabs, because wheezy has LTS support for another 2 years, but having a nice experience with another old machine, I just might. I am not sure, though, how much slower Bunsenlabs would run on this machine compared to the Crunchbang/wheezy.

Edit: Hm, I tried the live nonpae cd to boot on the acer laptop. It does boot, however when it comes to the graphical interface it freezes completely. I cannot even turn to cli by pressing CTRL+ALT+F1. I guess I will keep wheezy on this machine until LTS stops for wheezy.

TL;DR. Anyway, I was wondering on what _old_ hardware do you run Bunsenlabs, and what are your experiences? We could make it a competition, to find the oldest hardware on which Bunsenlabs still runs fine.

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#2 2016-05-16 16:12:59

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

Dell Inspiron 6000 laptop

single core
1.6 GHz Intel Pentium M 730 (Sonoma), 533MHz

circa: 2005

runs well. Even printer support works through usb.


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#3 2016-05-17 05:49:54

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

Acer aspire one ZG5 Netbook.

Atom N270 single core @ 1.6 GHz.
1,5GB RAM.

Works fine if you don't visit youtube.

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#4 2016-05-17 09:01:05

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

^ Heh, that processor was a champ in my Dell Inspiron 910n ("Mini 9", the version that shipped with Dell's rebranded Ubuntu) through Waldorf, including playing Youtube videos.  Had to force the N270 to the performance governor (maximum clock speed all the time) to get smooth video playback, which ate the battery and burned the core, but was capable of doing so for limited periods, and probably could have gone for hours on the charger with a laptop cooler.  Any lower governor setting and the video got choppy.

Anyway, I understand that Atom was on par with a 1.8GHz Pentium M.  Not too shabby for a chip with a TDP of...what, 2.7W?


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#5 2016-05-17 09:31:52

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

pvsage wrote:

Had to force the N270 to the performance governor

I've done it once but the netbook almost burst into flames, even after installing a new fan...
I just use it to play and bork new distros.

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#6 2016-05-17 09:42:10

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

^ What, yours had a fan??  Mine was fanless!!  ...and yes, it did get quite toasty.  Never watched anything longer than a typical pop song video with it at that setting.  I was happy enough with lower-res video most of the time though; the N270 plays 360p videos with nary a hiccup on the on-demand governor.

...but I think we're getting off-topic here.

@OP:  PIII or newer should be adequate, including any dual-core Atom processor.  PII, you'll be lucky if you can load a graphical interface, and smooth video playback or vidya are out, even with "potato-quality" graphic settings.


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#7 2016-05-17 09:47:13

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

Totally agree. PIII should do the work with bunsen.

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#8 2016-05-18 06:59:28

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

apacus11 wrote:

Acer aspire one ZG5 Netbook.

Atom N270 single core @ 1.6 GHz.
1,5GB RAM.

Works fine if you don't visit youtube.

hallelujah, i have the same machine!
and i love it. it's a bit thick and heavy compared to modern 10" netbooks, but just great.
battery life is still way above average even after 6 years.

about youtube: i would never attempt to play flash video on that machine.
flashplugin isn't even installed, on purpose.
rather use something like youtube-dl or (gtk-)youtube-viewer.

i also changed browsers quite often - iceweasel starts slowly and works fairly ok, but something like dwb or qutebrowser is much snappier.

PS:
this is actually OT since i'm not running BL on that machine...

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#9 2016-05-18 07:07:46

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

^Sure, I removed flashplugin after the first attempt.
Tried to watch youtube videos through VLC too, but finally decided to use it just for distro-hopping.

I bought 5 years ago a 9 cell battery that runs for 3-4 hours.
Great netbook wink

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#10 2016-05-19 05:14:20

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

^ people don't seem to realize how heavy VLC is (*).
really, you should just use mplayer (or preferably mpv). which is exactly what (gtk-)youtube-viewer does.

(*) it's a great piece of software, my deepest bow to the devs, but its multi-purpose, feature-rich "throw anything at me" philosophy does come at a price...

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#11 2016-05-19 06:03:55

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

I recently changed to mplayer but get hit with the PNG-skin-error.
Must change VLC to mplayer in my debian-sid partition.

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#12 2016-07-27 17:02:28

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

Got it running flawlessly (nearly) on my Asus 1011PX:
Atom N570, 1GB of DDR3 (soldered, no SLOT  mad )
Intel 330 SSD (60GB)
48Wh battery (5 years later it still holds 37Wh, i never got the 10hrs of runtime on linux, it drains like 9Wm minimum, which give like 3h30-4h :-\ [and nearly 5hrs new in box]

Only a few issues left: fan speed (that lets the T° getting high before doing anything) and miscellaneous things to tweak

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#13 2016-07-27 20:36:23

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

Can't claim the oldest but bunsen is my primary on a 2007 mac pro Rev 1 at work. It's going to be very sad *when* it dies. It is still hardly taxed by my daily usage - most of my usage is web apps, a bit of html in MS Vis Code or Geany / Atom,  a couple of trivial uses in terminal, and usually a vagrant vm in the background.

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#14 2016-07-27 21:46:55

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

I ran Debian stable and #! on an old eMachines with onboard NVidia (5200, maybe?) for years, I was lucky and the power supply lasted, most didn't. I also used the Acer ZG5 with jessie for a year. YouTube was perfect  w/ its Intel graphics, but the 8G Toshiba SSD was both tiny and SLOOOOW. An early, cheap drive, it didn't support TRIM.

Current hardware is a 9 year old, refurbished Lenovo Thinkpad T500.

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#15 2016-07-28 17:25:11

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

Comin at ya from a 2004 HP Pavillion ze4900, Celeron M 1.3GHz, 512Mb RAM.


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#16 2016-07-28 18:01:36

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

What should be added to this topic, is what hardware you're running, and what you actually DO with it.  I'm curious to know the applications and functionality being used with the older hardware.


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#17 2016-07-28 18:50:57

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

2004 HP Pavillion ze4900, Celeron M 1.3GHz, 512Mb RAM

Second / guest / music player laptop.

I like to resurrect 'garbage' machines for friends and family. I will give free assistance to anyone I know who wants to give up their Micros*** habit.
Showing them a snappy ancient laptop helps with that.
I also use the machine to hack around a little, try things out, learn without fear of breaking my main machine.

So - web browsing  (youtube working fine without flash), music, viewing images, writing (.txt files), torrents, ftp transfers to Android.

I would add that, in my opinion, NoScript is crucial in helping an old dog happily surf the web, as is a reputable ad blocker.

cool

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#18 2016-07-28 21:19:53

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

DrTronic wrote:

I would add that, in my opinion, NoScript is crucial in helping an old dog happily surf the web, as is a reputable ad blocker.

cool

+1 to that!  NoScript, not only provides one heck of a nice security blanket for me, it really really helps with keeping my older processor running with sub-flame temperatures...  Sorry DrTonic, but what instruction set is your cerelon classified under?

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#19 2016-07-29 20:34:49

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

Horizon_Brave wrote:

+1 to that!  NoScript, not only provides one heck of a nice security blanket for me, it really really helps with keeping my older processor running with sub-flame temperatures...  Sorry DrTonic, but what instruction set is your cerelon classified under?

You may have to help me answer that question for you :0)

I think this is my processor -
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Celeron_M … 0131M.html

Which says MMX instructions.
But I don't know how to precisely answer your question.

(I'm not really a doctor you know.. )


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#20 2016-07-29 20:37:42

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

Horizon_Brave wrote:

what instruction set is your cerelon classified under?

That processor uses a complex instruction set.

EDIT: More specifically, the x86 instruction set.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86, et al

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#21 2016-07-29 20:52:59

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

Yea sorry, I think I used the wrong term, but the x86 (32 bit) was what I was wondering at.  Thanks!


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#22 2016-10-09 17:47:26

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

Hello,

OK. I may as well go ahead and take the "oldest machine" prize here. I had already installed bl-Hydrogen-i386+NonPAE_20160710.iso on an ancient custom built PC before I discovered this thread. This PC is one that I rescued from the trash, so I don't have its documentation. I'm not exactly sure how old this beast is, but I'll guess mid to late '90s, due to it's AMD K6 (i586) processor. It has a Socket 7 pre-ATX motherboard with fairly large letters "FO16" or "F016" printed near the top PCI slot. Those letters appear to be the model number of the motherboard, but I haven't been able to find out anything else about it. It has 4 PCI slots and 3 ISA slots.

Here's the important info about the CPU taken from /proc/cpuinfo:

vendor_id    : AuthenticAMD
cpu family    : 5
model        : 6
model name    : AMD-K6tm w/ multimedia extensions
stepping    : 2
cpu MHz        : 233.865
flags        : fpu vme de pse tsc msr cx8 mmx vmmcall

Otherwise, it has 256Mb memory (the max supported), a 4.3Gb HDD, and a 8Gb flash drive (used for storage). The flash drive is mounted semi-permanently to the internal USB port of a USB 2.0 PCI adapter card. It has a 3D Rage II+ video adapter with 4Mb video RAM, which is running 1152x864 with 24 bit color.

For those of us with the really ancient PCs, here are a few things that I noticed about BunsenLabs bl-Hydrogen-i386+NonPAE_20160710.iso that are difficult to find in a current distro:

- It supports i586 processors (Pentium I, AMD K6).
- It supports ISA sound cards (manual configuration).
- It supports the old ATI GPUs that use MACH64 video driver.
- Installed system will run in 128Mb memory, but does a lot of swapping.

As you might imagine, it is SLOOOOOOOW! Video of any kind or browsing process intensive web pages will bring it to a screeching halt, but it does stream internet radio OK. Batch processing takes a long time, but it does complete the jobs OK. This isn't a very productive machine by today's standards, but it does encourage using the command line, which teaches a lot about how Linux works.

I'm using the machine to make this post.

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#23 2016-10-09 18:04:21

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

blinco wrote:

...
I'm using the machine to make this post.

Nice.


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#24 2016-10-09 20:31:11

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

thanks, i love the description, blinco.
sounds... steampunky...
anyhow, what you notice are debian's perks.
may i suggest to install debian cli only (often referred to as netinst) on that machine? might well be a usable internet jukebox. maybe put it on a pedestal, with dramatic amber lighting... btw, where's the picture of it?

actually i just today passed the fleamarket where i bought the single core hp laptop that has been serving as my server for over a year now... she wanted 10€, but i gave her 20. should have gone in and showed her my blog...

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#25 2016-10-21 01:57:41

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Re: The oldest machine running Bunsenlabs with/without hiccups?

I think blinco probably wins the thread. I use BL daily on a 64-bit machine, but my 32-bit BL hardware is an IBM ThinkPad T42, circa 2005ish, maxed out at 2GB RAM. It runs well.


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