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Colonel Panic · 2023-05-08 13:33:46

taberacci wrote:

Debian organization could be accused of doing really dumb things but I don't think they would ever do something like... just LOL programmers are becoming extinct. Or maybe there is something I'm missing here.
It's a good thing I failed installing Fedora 38 because I would have been angry at this folly. This was expected to come from a small independent distro!
https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issu … 508#fedora
QUOTE REVIEWER:
One other thing to note is the fact that this version of Fedora does not come with the GNU Compiler Collection and Make preinstalled. These were included with Fedora 37, but not in 38. Other developer tools, like Git and Toolbox, are still part of the default package set.
It looks like IBM and Red Hat don't want any more "free" programmers if they aren't doing Flatpaks and stuff like that.
EDIT: Fixed a couple of stupid typos.

Yeah. It's easy in Debian because (from memory) all you have to do is install a suite of packages called "build-essential" or something similar.

I installed Fedora 38 Beta a short while back and then tried to convert it into something I could live with but gave up in the end and deleted it. I dislike Gnome basically; it might be OK for tablets but IMO it doesn't work well with traditional computer desktops and monitors of the sort I have, though some of the software it comes with (such as Gedit) is good.

There are some good Fedora-based distros and spinoffs though, such as Exton Defender and Ultramarine; both of which I've mentioned earlier in this thread. Ultramarine uses the Budgie desktop manager and has a few tweaks added to it to make it more user-friendly, and Exton Defender is based on Fedora Cinnamon and has a lot of system admin software added into it and is meant to run as a live disk although it can also be installed.

Last edited by Colonel Panic (2023-05-08 18:42:53)

DeepDayze · 2023-05-08 13:44:18

Colonel Panic wrote:

Yeah. It's easy in Debian because (from memory) all you have to do is install a suite of packages called "build-essential" or something similar.
I installed Fedora 38 Beta a short while back and then tried to convert it into something I could live with but gave up in the end and deleted it. I dislike Gnome basically; it might be OK for tablets but IMO it doesn't work well with traditional computer desktops and monitors of the sort I have though some of the software it comes with (such as Gedit) is good.
There are some good Fedora-based distros and spinoffs though, such as Exton Defender and Ultramarine which I've mentioned earlier in this thread. Ultramarine usesd the Budgie desktop manager and has a few tweaks added to it to make it more user-friendly, and Exton Defender is based on Fedora Cinnamon and has a lot of system admin software added into it and is meant to run as a live disk although it can also be installed.

I see that there's also different "spins" of Ultramarine and there's even a Plasma spin that resembles Pop!-OS.

Colonel Panic · 2023-05-08 18:41:15

DeepDayze wrote:

I see that there's also different "spins" of Ultramarine and there's even a Plasma spin that resembles Pop!-OS.

Yes, but the Flagship version (with Budgie) is the one the devs themselves recommend and I'd guess it's because it's the one they put the most work into.

DeepDayze · 2023-05-08 18:55:13

Colonel Panic wrote:

DeepDayze wrote:
I see that there's also different "spins" of Ultramarine and there's even a Plasma spin that resembles Pop!-OS.
Yes, but the Flagship version (with Budgie) is the one the devs themselves recommend and I'd guess it's because it's the one they put the most work into.

Looks cool, and budgie looks like a simpler GNOME desktop without the cruft. I wouldn't use GNOME either and yearn for the GNOME 2 days where it was actually much better.

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Martin · 2023-05-08 21:31:11

DeepDayze wrote:

Colonel Panic wrote:
DeepDayze wrote:
I see that there's also different "spins" of Ultramarine and there's even a Plasma spin that resembles Pop!-OS.
Yes, but the Flagship version (with Budgie) is the one the devs themselves recommend and I'd guess it's because it's the one they put the most work into.
Looks cool, and budgie looks like a simpler GNOME desktop without the cruft. I wouldn't use GNOME either and yearn for the GNOME 2 days where it was actually much better.

Sounds like Mate to me.

/Martin

DeepDayze · 2023-05-09 01:14:25

Martin wrote:

DeepDayze wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote:
Yes, but the Flagship version (with Budgie) is the one the devs themselves recommend and I'd guess it's because it's the one they put the most work into.
Looks cool, and budgie looks like a simpler GNOME desktop without the cruft. I wouldn't use GNOME either and yearn for the GNOME 2 days where it was actually much better.
Sounds like Mate to me.
/Martin

MATE is pretty cool I got to play with it as there's a metapackage in Debian for it.

Colonel Panic · 2023-05-09 08:12:32

DeepDayze wrote:

Martin wrote:
DeepDayze wrote:
Looks cool, and budgie looks like a simpler GNOME desktop without the cruft. I wouldn't use GNOME either and yearn for the GNOME 2 days where it was actually much better.
Sounds like Mate to me.
/Martin
MATE is pretty cool I got to play with it as there's a metapackage in Debian for it.

Yes, Mate is good I agree. The only thing it doesn't do that XFce does, as far as I know, is enable me to middle-click on the desktop and bring up a list of all the windows I've got open in my workspaces.

Last edited by Colonel Panic (2023-05-09 08:12:44)

Martin · 2023-05-09 18:53:50

Apropos Budgie and Mate: A couple of weeks ago I did some WM/DE-hopping courtesy of Spiral Linux ISOs being available in several 'flavors'. I used a Qemu virtual machine awarded one core and 2 MB of RAM. Impressions in alphabetical order after a bit of not too organized testing Live-ISOs:

*Budgie* I understand Budgie to be based on Gnome and being tweaked towards a more traditional UX with a 'normal' menu system. Yet it retains some of the more irritating idiosyncrasies of Gnome such locking pop-up windows to their source. Also, it hangs intermittently for no apparent reason -- no high CPU load for instance. Changing preferences did not always work. With Budgie the system occupied 461 MB of RAM right after start-up.

* Cinnamon* Fancy and polished. Everything works but CPU load shoots up to 100% a lot of the time. Even just moving a window is CPU heavy. The system monitor eats resources! 625 MB of RAM right after start-up.

*Gnome* 512 MB of RAM right after start-up. I know this let's-do-things-different UX from my work computer. It works for me but it is not a favorite. Gnome is more responsive than both Budgie and Cinnamon. Strangely enough if feels a little quicker than the Ubuntu-Gnome on my work computer despite the meager HW resources in this test. Spiral Linux magic?

*LXQt* Now we are in for a very straight-forward, traditional UX. No strange 'innovations' and pretty snappy. 409 MB of RAM right after start-up.

*Mate* This is basically a GTK-based twin of the LXQt UX. Easy on the user and the HW. Occupied 486 MB of RAM right after start-up.

*Plasma* Plasma offers more bling and a 'different' UX compared to LXQt and Mate. It did, however surprise me by being responsive and no resource hog the way KDE of yesteryear used to be. 457 MB of RAM right after start-up.

*XFCE* No-nonsense UX not too dissimilar from LXQt and Mate. Easy to live with and really snappy. 470 MB of RAM right after start-up.

/Martin

deleted0 · 2023-05-09 19:42:44

Martin wrote:

*XFCE* No-nonsense UX not too dissimilar from LXQt and Mate. Easy to live with and really snappy. 470 MB of RAM right after start-up.
/Martin

Also, Xfce is mature and offers features that others don't have. Right-click menu, left/center/right alignment of window title, and the list goes on.

Some of the newer DEs look real good, rounded corners, and such. With time, their level of customization should grow.

8bit

PackRat · 2023-05-09 23:37:48

Martin wrote:

*Mate* This is basically a GTK-based twin of the LXQt UX. Easy on the user and the HW. Occupied 486 MB of RAM right after start-up.
/Martin

Mate desktop is a continuation of Gnome 2.x. Team Mate is in the process of making it Wayland compatible.

Also, Xfce is mature and offers features that others don't have. Right-click menu, left/center/right alignment of window title, and the list goes on.

The Mate tweak tool (if it's available in Debian) lets the user configure some of that; not as fine-grained as one would like.

Last edited by PackRat (2023-05-09 23:47:47)

johnraff · 2023-05-10 00:47:22

Martin wrote:

Apropos Budgie and Mate: A couple of weeks ago I did some WM/DE-hopping courtesy of Spiral Linux ISOs being available in several 'flavors'. I used a Qemu virtual machine awarded one core and 2 MB of RAM. Impressions in alphabetical order after a bit of not too organized testing Live-ISOs:
...

@Martin I'd be curious to learn how BL Beryllium fits in on that list. Is RAM use and "snappiness" significantly better than the lighter distros you tested, or not so much?

DeepDayze · 2023-05-10 00:54:18

Right now playing with LMDE 5 Cinnamon edition. It seems to be pretty smooth with hardly any glitches or overly hogging resources.

Martin · 2023-05-10 06:01:36

johnraff wrote:

Martin wrote:
Apropos Budgie and Mate: A couple of weeks ago I did some WM/DE-hopping courtesy of Spiral Linux ISOs being available in several 'flavors'. I used a Qemu virtual machine awarded one core and 2 MB of RAM. Impressions in alphabetical order after a bit of not too organized testing Live-ISOs:
...
@Martin I'd be curious to learn how BL Beryllium fits in on that list. Is RAM use and "snappiness" significantly better than the lighter distros you tested, or not so much?

All these were Spiral Linux implementations so it is not only about how heavy each DE/WM is. I hoped this would result in a level playing field and I think it did as all seemed to contain the same/similar applications.

Comparing distros with XFCE I find Void starts with 252 MB RAM and Salix with 325 MB.

Running the latest BL ISO I land on 471 MB of RAM right after start-up. For Lilidog I land on 243 MB. Both take ~70 s to start up.

My 'real' computers are still on BL Lithium. The one with Openbox starts with 410 MB of RAM and the x230 set up with i3 only needs 216 MB of RAM right after start-up.

RAM usage is measured by opening a terminal and typing "free -h" and look under "used".

/Martin

johnraff · 2023-05-10 06:40:42

Martin wrote:

johnraff wrote:
@Martin I'd be curious to learn how BL Beryllium fits in on that list. Is RAM use and "snappiness" significantly better than the lighter distros you tested, or not so much?
All these were Spiral Linux implementations so it is not only about how heavy each DE/WM is.

Ah OK so not really to be compared with BL on Debian.

My 'real' computers are still on BL Lithium. The one with Openbox starts with 410 MB of RAM and the x230 set up with i3 only needs 216 MB of RAM right after start-up.

That is puzzling because usually on BL htop shows openbox's share of the total RAM to be quite small, so I don't understand how swapping it out for another window manager could make any significant difference. But what is the "x230 setup"?

Martin · 2023-05-11 06:29:22

My 'real' computers are still on BL Lithium. The one with Openbox starts with 410 MB of RAM and the x230 set up with i3 only needs 216 MB of RAM right after start-up.
That is puzzling because usually on BL htop shows openbox's share of the total RAM to be quite small, so I don't understand how swapping it out for another window manager could make any significant difference. But what is the "x230 setup"?

I just ran some tests. The x230 setup is my Lenovo Thinkpad x230. It runs BL Lithium and I have added i3 since i3 works better for me on that small screen. Lately I also added Windowmaker for fun. Comparing RAM usage right after re-boot -- yes I re-booted between each alternative to make sure I started with a clean slate each time -- I register the following RAM consumptions:

BunsenLab: 384 MB
Openbox: 303 MB
i3: 220 MB
Windowmaker: 202 MB

/Martin

unklar · 2023-05-11 11:18:41

inxi -SMxxx
System:    Host: beryllium Kernel: 5.10.0-22-686 i686 bits: 32 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1 
           Desktop: Openbox 3.6.1 info: tint2 dm: LightDM 1.26.0 
           Distro: BunsenLabs GNU/Linux 11 (Beryllium) base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: IBM product: 2371H8G v: ThinkPad X40 serial: <superuser required> 
           Chassis: type: 10 serial: <superuser required> 
           Mobo: IBM model: 2371H8G serial: <superuser required> BIOS: IBM v: 1UETD3WW (2.08 ) 
           date: 12/21/2006

Results of my beryllium installation with the ps_mem.py script

the system is running since 2023-05-08 10.00am

 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used	Program

152.0 KiB + 230.0 KiB = 382.0 KiB	thinkfan
180.0 KiB + 248.0 KiB = 428.0 KiB	atd
284.0 KiB + 336.0 KiB = 620.0 KiB	agetty
268.0 KiB + 384.0 KiB = 652.0 KiB	cron
312.0 KiB + 386.0 KiB = 698.0 KiB	xcape
532.0 KiB + 570.0 KiB =   1.1 MiB	ssh-agent
532.0 KiB + 752.0 KiB =   1.3 MiB	dconf-service
560.0 KiB + 908.0 KiB =   1.4 MiB	gvfsd-metadata
612.0 KiB + 858.0 KiB =   1.4 MiB	xfconfd
608.0 KiB + 894.0 KiB =   1.5 MiB	gvfs-mtp-volume-monitor
628.0 KiB + 926.0 KiB =   1.5 MiB	at-spi-bus-launcher
  4.6 MiB + -3160.0 KiB =   1.5 MiB	gvfsd-fuse
716.0 KiB +   1.1 MiB =   1.8 MiB	gvfsd
812.0 KiB +   1.0 MiB =   1.8 MiB	gvfs-goa-volume-monitor
748.0 KiB +   1.1 MiB =   1.8 MiB	at-spi2-registryd
808.0 KiB +   1.3 MiB =   2.0 MiB	gvfsd-network
868.0 KiB +   1.2 MiB =   2.1 MiB	gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor
824.0 KiB +   1.4 MiB =   2.2 MiB	gvfs-afc-volume-monitor
648.0 KiB +   1.7 MiB =   2.3 MiB	systemd-timesyncd
996.0 KiB +   1.4 MiB =   2.3 MiB	gvfsd-dnssd
984.0 KiB +   1.6 MiB =   2.6 MiB	gvfsd-trash
876.0 KiB +   2.1 MiB =   2.9 MiB	systemd-logind
  1.5 MiB +   1.8 MiB =   3.3 MiB	smartd
  1.3 MiB +   2.0 MiB =   3.4 MiB	sudo
  5.3 MiB + -1874.0 KiB =   3.5 MiB	upowerd
  5.8 MiB + -2106.0 KiB =   3.7 MiB	rsyslogd
  5.7 MiB + -1932.0 KiB =   3.8 MiB	polkitd
  1.7 MiB +   2.2 MiB =   3.9 MiB	bluetoothd
  5.6 MiB + -1760.0 KiB =   3.9 MiB	gnome-keyring-daemon
  1.9 MiB +   2.0 MiB =   3.9 MiB	xbindkeys
  1.7 MiB +   2.2 MiB =   4.0 MiB	obexd
  1.4 MiB +   2.8 MiB =   4.1 MiB	sshd
  2.1 MiB +   2.3 MiB =   4.4 MiB	bash
  1.6 MiB +   2.9 MiB =   4.5 MiB	polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
  1.6 MiB +   2.9 MiB =   4.5 MiB	gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor
  2.0 MiB +   3.2 MiB =   5.2 MiB	dbus-daemon (3)
  1.8 MiB +   3.5 MiB =   5.3 MiB	lightdm (2)
  2.6 MiB +   2.8 MiB =   5.4 MiB	systemd-udevd
  2.4 MiB +   3.7 MiB =   6.1 MiB	jgmenu
  3.1 MiB +   4.9 MiB =   7.9 MiB	pulseaudio
  3.6 MiB +   4.8 MiB =   8.4 MiB	wpa_supplicant
  7.6 MiB + 836.0 KiB =   8.4 MiB	udisksd
  8.1 MiB + 716.0 KiB =   8.8 MiB	ModemManager
  3.5 MiB +   5.4 MiB =   8.9 MiB	openbox
  3.6 MiB +   5.6 MiB =   9.2 MiB	tint2
  5.0 MiB +   6.8 MiB =  11.8 MiB	light-locker
  8.8 MiB +   3.6 MiB =  12.4 MiB	xfce4-clipman
  3.2 MiB +  10.2 MiB =  13.4 MiB	systemd (3)
  9.6 MiB +   3.9 MiB =  13.5 MiB	NetworkManager
  9.4 MiB +   6.3 MiB =  15.7 MiB	xfce4-notifyd
 13.8 MiB +   2.5 MiB =  16.4 MiB	xfce4-power-manager
  7.4 MiB +   9.0 MiB =  16.4 MiB	tumblerd
 10.0 MiB +   7.8 MiB =  17.7 MiB	pnmixer
 21.5 MiB +   6.5 MiB =  27.9 MiB	nm-applet
 12.9 MiB +  18.2 MiB =  31.1 MiB	conky (2)
 21.2 MiB +  11.1 MiB =  32.2 MiB	blueman-applet
 19.8 MiB +  14.2 MiB =  34.1 MiB	thunar
 17.6 MiB +  18.1 MiB =  35.7 MiB	blueman-tray
 22.4 MiB +  14.3 MiB =  36.7 MiB	Xorg
 21.9 MiB +  17.7 MiB =  39.6 MiB	x-terminal-emul
 19.2 MiB +  21.0 MiB =  40.2 MiB	systemd-journald
---------------------------------
                        553.8 MiB
=================================

after reboot today 12.20am

sudo ./ps_mem.py
[sudo] Passwort für unklar: 
 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used	Program

152.0 KiB + 240.0 KiB = 392.0 KiB	thinkfan
176.0 KiB + 272.0 KiB = 448.0 KiB	atd
288.0 KiB + 358.0 KiB = 646.0 KiB	agetty
284.0 KiB + 390.0 KiB = 674.0 KiB	xcape
272.0 KiB + 434.0 KiB = 706.0 KiB	cron
528.0 KiB + 576.0 KiB =   1.1 MiB	ssh-agent
528.0 KiB + 810.0 KiB =   1.3 MiB	dconf-service
596.0 KiB + 904.0 KiB =   1.5 MiB	xfconfd
636.0 KiB +   1.1 MiB =   1.7 MiB	at-spi-bus-launcher
  4.7 MiB + -2862.0 KiB =   1.9 MiB	at-spi2-registryd
908.0 KiB +   1.3 MiB =   2.2 MiB	gvfsd-fuse
632.0 KiB +   1.7 MiB =   2.3 MiB	systemd-timesyncd
  4.8 MiB + -2512.0 KiB =   2.4 MiB	gvfsd
844.0 KiB +   2.0 MiB =   2.8 MiB	systemd-logind
  1.3 MiB +   1.9 MiB =   3.2 MiB	sudo
  1.5 MiB +   1.8 MiB =   3.3 MiB	smartd
  5.4 MiB + -1772.0 KiB =   3.7 MiB	upowerd
  1.8 MiB +   2.0 MiB =   3.7 MiB	rsyslogd
  1.3 MiB +   2.7 MiB =   3.9 MiB	sshd
  5.7 MiB + -1814.0 KiB =   4.0 MiB	polkitd
  1.9 MiB +   2.1 MiB =   4.0 MiB	xbindkeys
  1.7 MiB +   2.3 MiB =   4.1 MiB	obexd
  2.2 MiB +   2.3 MiB =   4.5 MiB	bash
  1.7 MiB +   3.0 MiB =   4.7 MiB	dbus-daemon (3)
  2.0 MiB +   2.8 MiB =   4.8 MiB	gnome-keyring-daemon
  1.6 MiB +   3.4 MiB =   5.0 MiB	polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
  1.8 MiB +   3.8 MiB =   5.6 MiB	xfce4-notifyd
  1.9 MiB +   3.7 MiB =   5.6 MiB	lightdm (2)
  2.7 MiB +   2.9 MiB =   5.6 MiB	systemd-udevd
  2.2 MiB +   4.0 MiB =   6.2 MiB	jgmenu
  7.4 MiB + 196.0 KiB =   7.5 MiB	udisksd
  3.3 MiB +   4.6 MiB =   7.9 MiB	wpa_supplicant
  4.0 MiB +   4.7 MiB =   8.6 MiB	ModemManager
  3.3 MiB +   5.5 MiB =   8.9 MiB	openbox
  3.8 MiB +   5.8 MiB =   9.6 MiB	tint2
  5.0 MiB +   7.4 MiB =  12.4 MiB	light-locker
 12.8 MiB + 568.0 KiB =  13.3 MiB	xfce4-clipman
  9.7 MiB +   3.8 MiB =  13.4 MiB	pulseaudio
  3.1 MiB +  10.4 MiB =  13.4 MiB	systemd (3)
  9.6 MiB +   4.0 MiB =  13.6 MiB	thunar
  5.7 MiB +   8.2 MiB =  13.9 MiB	NetworkManager
 14.6 MiB +   9.5 MiB =  24.1 MiB	Xorg
 13.9 MiB +  12.1 MiB =  26.0 MiB	xfce4-power-manager
  9.9 MiB +  17.5 MiB =  27.4 MiB	pnmixer
 12.1 MiB +  17.5 MiB =  29.6 MiB	conky (2)
 16.3 MiB +  24.6 MiB =  41.0 MiB	nm-applet
 16.0 MiB +  25.9 MiB =  41.8 MiB	blueman-tray
 19.2 MiB +  25.8 MiB =  44.9 MiB	systemd-journald
 21.1 MiB +  27.9 MiB =  48.9 MiB	blueman-applet
 21.2 MiB +  33.0 MiB =  54.3 MiB	x-terminal-emul
---------------------------------
                        552.6 MiB
=================================

taberacci · 2023-05-11 11:25:41

Also, Xfce is mature and offers features that others don't have.

I disagree. With v4.18 they have taken a step backwards, becoming further slaves to GNOME and KDE. I really hate the Notifications plug-in now, sometimes windows stay stuck on the screen when they should have gone after a few seconds. Prefer v4.16 at this point.

When I logged in just now I was going to post here:
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=8533

But what I would have said would have been out of context. I installed Debian "Bullseye" three times with the 29-April-2023 ISO without non-free firmware. So only yellow cable for Internet LOL. I needed to know how the "GNOME Flashback" was like. Thought it was Budgie. Now I'm glad MATE exists only to get rid of the bottom panel which takes up valuable space for some programs (cough zilla cough-cough fire).

I tried Debian with KDE but prefer Spiral Linux much more. Debian's KDE feels incomplete. This goes even for "Bookworm" as well.

I reinstalled Debian XFCE and was very surprised at how lightweight it was, and how much RAM it took up after it finished starting up. Sure it's because I have Wine and a few other programs installed. It looks like the problem was fixed which made a Windows app start very slowly, and running "winecfg" was about as pensive as doing it on "Bookworm". The lightweight setup made me lose desire to do anything with W.M. I already have BL Beryllium and Slackel which is more than enough.

I have never installed Spiral Linux with XFCE. Turned off by Gecko Linux XFCE looking like a slow-performing racoon, had to pick "ROLLING" (based on OpenSUSE "Tumbleweed") which gave me v4.18 which easily peaked me off.

Last edited by taberacci (2023-05-11 11:27:44)

Colonel Panic · 2023-05-11 13:07:02

I've just downloaded the latest version of MX KDE (21.3), though I haven't installed it. On the whole it works well with a good range of applications and of course the excellent MX Tools set of utilities. The only downside is (and I don't want to sound like Dedoimedo here), to me it doesn't look all that great. It's got a rather dull dark grey theme with a modern art wallpaper which looks like two-dimensional Licorice Allsorts on a grey background, the icons are flat and "blocky," and for me, most seriously, the font used in the menu and the text below the icons is faint and not very clear.

All this can be changed though, and there's even a remaster utility in MX Tools which enables you to create a new ISO for future use once you've done so. For now though, if you don't want to do that I'd recommend using Exton's respin of MX with LXQT instead and just add in the KDE utilities you need (and also an office suite).

Postscript; I've just booted up MX Exton for the purpose of comparison. The fonts aren't great in that either, though they are at least bigger which makes them easier to read, and the wallpaper is a picture of a Ferrari Enzo (Exton clearly likes his cars; one of his other respins has a picture of a Bugatti as its wallpaper) which makes a difference too.

Last edited by Colonel Panic (2023-05-11 13:46:16)

deleted0 · 2023-05-11 13:16:46

taberacci wrote:

Also, Xfce is mature and offers features that others don't have.
I disagree.

With which part? That it's not mature, or that it doesn't offer features others don't?

As for Gnome and KDE, I don't really understand the politics. And I don't really care.
There's enough fine folks like you to carry that torch. Best speed.

8bit

P.S. Xfce 4.18 has worked well for me.

Last edited by deleted0 (2023-05-11 13:20:58)

Colonel Panic · 2023-05-11 13:38:19

taberacci wrote:

Also, Xfce is mature and offers features that others don't have.
I disagree. With v4.18 they have taken a step backwards, becoming further slaves to GNOME and KDE. I really hate the Notifications plug-in now, sometimes windows stay stuck on the screen when they should have gone after a few seconds. Prefer v4.16 at this point.
When I logged in just now I was going to post here:
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=8533
But what I would have said would have been out of context. I installed Debian "Bullseye" three times with the 29-April-2023 ISO without non-free firmware. So only yellow cable for Internet LOL. I needed to know how the "GNOME Flashback" was like. Thought it was Budgie. Now I'm glad MATE exists only to get rid of the bottom panel which takes up valuable space for some programs (cough zilla cough-cough fire).
I tried Debian with KDE but prefer Spiral Linux much more. Debian's KDE feels incomplete. This goes even for "Bookworm" as well.
I reinstalled Debian XFCE and was very surprised at how lightweight it was, and how much RAM it took up after it finished starting up. Sure it's because I have Wine and a few other programs installed. It looks like the problem was fixed which made a Windows app start very slowly, and running "winecfg" was about as pensive as doing it on "Bookworm". The lightweight setup made me lose desire to do anything with W.M. I already have BL Beryllium and Slackel which is more than enough.
I have never installed Spiral Linux with XFCE. Turned off by Gecko Linux XFCE looking like a slow-performing racoon, had to pick "ROLLING" (based on OpenSUSE "Tumbleweed") which gave me v4.18 which easily peaked me off.

I've never tried Spiral but I'll bet it's good. The one thing I didn't like about Gecko was the "rain rolling down green glass" wallpaper, but that's easily changed. I agree that OpenSUSE (and anything based on it) is one of the slower distros though.

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