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#1476 2021-09-01 15:03:09

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unklar wrote:
Martin wrote:

Hmm, maybe something to try on my old 32-bit box when I give up on antiX? Right now the weather is too nice so don't hold your breath.

/Martin

antiX is perfectly suitable for old computers. I had it myself 
on the x40 for years before helium and then lithium found its place on it. I could not complain, last antiX17.

What ISO do you have installed? Base, Full or?
By the way, your resolution problem is addressed by @anticapitalista here.

So far my resolution of choice (1920x1200) has not shown up in the drop-down list. I can try again.

The fantastic lag is also fascinating. It only is like this for the installed version, not during Live-CD sessions on the same HW.

/Martin


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#1477 2021-09-01 20:52:09

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Martin wrote:
unklar wrote:

What ISO do you have installed? Base, Full or?
By the way, your resolution problem is addressed by @anticapitalista here.

So far my resolution of choice (1920x1200) has not shown up in the drop-down list. I can try again.

The fantastic lag is also fascinating. It only is like this for the installed version, not during Live-CD sessions on the same HW.

I tried to follow those instructions. No, does not work at all. Totally ignored.

Base ISO if memory serves. The one that goes on a 700 MB CD. DVD not needed.

/Martin


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#1478 2021-09-02 08:40:28

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

I tried to find out antiX's requirements for a computer for you.  smile
https://antixlinux.com/about/
https://antixlinux.com/the-most-extensi … he-planet/
http://download.tuxfamily.org/antix/doc … ml#console

Unfortunately I don't know the specs of this Shuttle SK41G, so I tried to figure it out. According to this, it seems to have a graphics driver problem with Linux in general due to its age:
https://archive.shuttle.eu/2004/en/faq_other.htm
http://www.bloodgate.com/hacking/shuttle_linux.html
http://www.linuxmisc.com/5-linux-hardwa … 29bd29.htm
http://www.44342.com/linux-f1119-t1163-p1.htm


Probably solvable, but will require some work.  hmm

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#1479 2021-09-02 10:22:51

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

unklar wrote:

I tried to find out antiX's requirements for a computer for you.  smile
https://antixlinux.com/about/
https://antixlinux.com/the-most-extensi … he-planet/
http://download.tuxfamily.org/antix/doc … ml#console

Unfortunately I don't know the specs of this Shuttle SK41G, so I tried to figure it out. According to this, it seems to have a graphics driver problem with Linux in general due to its age:
https://archive.shuttle.eu/2004/en/faq_other.htm
http://www.bloodgate.com/hacking/shuttle_linux.html
http://www.linuxmisc.com/5-linux-hardwa … 29bd29.htm
http://www.44342.com/linux-f1119-t1163-p1.htm


Probably solvable, but will require some work.  hmm

Thanks a ton.
This old computer doesn't have to work. I am just fooling around so I am not prepared to invest time on this quest.

I remember there were some graphics issues in the early days (there is even a post from me in one of the forum threads you dug up) but then it when away until now.

/Martin

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#1480 2021-09-02 19:39:15

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unklar wrote:

https://scrot.cloud/images/2021/08/31/Screenshot_20210831_111636.th.png Link    https://scrot.cloud/images/2021/08/31/Screenshot_20210831_114404.th.png Link

On August 15/16 @arpinux released its new ISO's based on Debian 11.
In QEMU this already looks good and I will "upgrade" this on the x40 from 10.7.   big_smile

Ha, I really like this distro. I have grown a fondness for Fluxbox, but never wanted to learn how to configure it. This is a great take on Fluxbox, with Debian Stable (best OS in the world) as base. I put it in a WM, I might even nuke my Arch with Gnome install for this on real hardware.

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#1481 2021-09-03 07:56:04

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

el_koraco wrote:
unklar wrote:

https://scrot.cloud/images/2021/08/31/Screenshot_20210831_111636.th.png Link    https://scrot.cloud/images/2021/08/31/Screenshot_20210831_114404.th.png Link

On August 15/16 @arpinux released its new ISO's based on Debian 11.
In QEMU this already looks good and I will "upgrade" this on the x40 from 10.7.   big_smile

Ha, I really like this distro. I have grown a fondness for Fluxbox, but never wanted to learn how to configure it. This is a great take on Fluxbox, with Debian Stable (best OS in the world) as base. I put it in a WM, I might even nuke my Arch with Gnome install for this on real hardware.

big_smile  big_smile  cool
Slow down, everything has its place in linux. wink Fluxbox is really a show, I use it for many years through antiX. I find it easier to configure than openbox.

Still, everything is a matter of taste.

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#1482 2021-09-04 10:38:58

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

@el_koraco,

You could also instead of running Arch with Gnome, just install Fluxbox here. 
This works well, too.   big_smile  wink

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#1483 2021-09-04 10:51:25

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I could, but the only reason I am using Arch is because of Gnome. If I switch away from Gnome, I might as well get to the super safe embrace of Debian Stable.

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#1484 2021-09-04 13:19:47

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^This is the way it is. I've never had anything with Gnome (except at the beginning for three weeks). I hate the stinky foot.

There's a saying around here, "Tailor, stick to your last." lol big_smile

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#1485 2021-09-05 13:48:48

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Gentoo is hard.

That's the post.

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#1486 2021-09-05 18:14:05

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

unklar wrote:

I've never had anything with Gnome (except at the beginning for three weeks). I hate the stinky foot.

When I left Redhat for Suse, in the late 90's, there was no other alternative.
KDE had problem with their software-license. Other options was quite unfriendly.

But, Gnome evolved in an direction I did not like. After evaluating many options I  finaly settled for Openbox. Not for hatred of Gnome, but for love of Openbox...

There's a saying around here, "Tailor, stick to your last."

Unklar, was you not from germany? "Tailor, stick to your last", sounds like a bad translation of the the swedish saying "Skomakare bliv vid din läst". I don't know the correct translation for "läst". In this connectionds, is it a "shoemaker form". A wooden form of a fot, to form the shoe around. "Skomakare bliv vid din läst" can be translated to "shoemaker stick to what you know".

It is a bad  proverb. Better to explore and adopt what you like...

I made an net search for "Tailor, stick to your last". did not found any link to that, but to "Cobbler, stick to your last." That is: "Do what you are familiar with, experienced in, or skilled at; don't attempt, interfere with, or give advice about something you are unfamiliar with."

I think that proverb was created in an feudal society, with strict social borders.


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#1487 2021-09-05 19:25:03

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Martin wrote:
Martin wrote:
unklar wrote:

What ISO do you have installed? Base, Full or?
By the way, your resolution problem is addressed by @anticapitalista here.

So far my resolution of choice (1920x1200) has not shown up in the drop-down list. I can try again.

The fantastic lag is also fascinating. It only is like this for the installed version, not during Live-CD sessions on the same HW.

I tried to follow those instructions. No, does not work at all. Totally ignored.

Base ISO if memory serves. The one that goes on a 700 MB CD. DVD not needed.

/Martin

Problem solved!
All I had to do was to apply more force.

OK, so I didn't tell you about the Nvidia GPU board I bought from a colleague 10+ years ago? I tried use it now thinking it would be more modern and more likely to work. Strangely enough it was not picked up by antiX or any other distro. Today I decided to open the box and inspect. I found that GPU board could be push down a little more and that was all it took. I now have a snappy GUI with 1920x1200 resolution.

/Martin


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#1488 2021-09-05 21:35:36

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

rbh wrote:

{snip}

But, Gnome evolved in an direction I did not like. After evaluating many options I  finaly settled for Openbox. Not for hatred of Gnome, but for love of Openbox...

{snip}

I agree in part.

Started with Gnome, was not thrilled, but better than where I came from.

Went to Xfce4 and liked that more but with #! I fell for Openbox hook line and sinker.


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#1489 2021-09-05 22:38:57

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Sector11 wrote:

Went to Xfce4 and liked that more but with #! I fell for Openbox hook line and sinker.

Same here, sort of. XFCE used to be my favourite, in part because I am an old UNIX user with a lot of time on SUN machines at work and they used CDE. XFCE was originally influenced by CDE...

Then I found #! and the way Openbox was set up there worked so well for me I didn't miss XFCE. #!/bunsenlabs has been my distro of choice at home far longer than anything else...

At work I now have Gnome and I think it works for me. It is different and sometimes it seems it is doing things differently just because it is possible, not because it improves anything. Nothing I can't live with. I know some colleagues beg to differ and use other DEs or WMs. That comes at a cost as some of the corporate IT integration is done for you if you stick with the default Gnome DE. Go for something else and you need to fiddle around a bit more than I am prepared to do.

/Martin


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#1490 2021-09-05 23:57:04

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

ratcheer wrote:

Gentoo is hard.

That's the post.

lol

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#1491 2021-09-10 17:28:22

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Trying something new. Dualboot with Windows 10.

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nvidia has first-class support for OpenSUSE, they provide their own upstream .rpm packages including prime-select for dealing with optimus laptops, making the thing very convenient which is also the reason I tried this; SuSE also supports Secure Boot fully and almost transparently, unlike Arch, otherwise I had just gone with Arch Linux instead.

I tried Kubuntu but the installer crashed when trying to create a LVM on LUKS setup with manual partitioning (well known problem -- shame on you).

OpenSUSE has a very good YaST based installer, much superior to what Ubuntu provides and miles ahead of Debian still. Very enterprisey, after all.

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#1492 2021-09-10 19:51:57

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

twoion wrote:

OpenSUSE has a very good YaST based installer

Yes, I loved YaST; "Yet another Setup Tool".
Would be nice to have something similar in debian.

Last edited by rbh (2021-09-10 20:18:39)


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#1493 2021-09-10 21:51:58

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Project Trident

Project Trident is a desktop-focused operating system based on Void Linux using the Lumina desktop.

https://project-trident.org/
https://project-trident.org/download/
https://lumina-desktop.org/
https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issu … 30#trident

Trident_0.th.png Trident_1.th.png Trident_2.th.png

I give it two thumbs up.
(well, a thumb and a half. I ran my left hand through a table saw and mangled a few digits.)

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#1494 2021-09-11 03:18:20

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

rbh wrote:
twoion wrote:

OpenSUSE has a very good YaST based installer

Yes, I loved YaST; "Yet another Setup Tool".
Would be nice to have something similar in debian.

I'm sure maybe sometime there be a port of YaST to Debian and call it YaDST "Yet another Debian Setup Tool". Or at least somehow use YaST's best features in D-I.

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#1495 2021-09-11 08:07:14

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

DeepDayze wrote:

I'm sure maybe sometime there be a port of YaST to Debian and call it YaDST "Yet another Debian Setup Tool". Or at least somehow use YaST's best features in D-I.

Sadly, there is little interest for a project like that. There was yast4debian, started around 2004 but stopped aournd 2007/2008.

There was a draft for a similar project:  DCC Debian Control Center; https://wiki.debian.org/DcontrolDraft a. It never grew beyond planning: https://web.archive.org/web/20150919051 … ebcontrol/
Homepage of Debian Control Center, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianControlCenter.

But, it should not be too hard to write some bash-scripts to configure most common settings... Maybe could be an BL project?

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#1496 2021-09-11 17:27:34

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

rbh wrote:
DeepDayze wrote:

I'm sure maybe sometime there be a port of YaST to Debian and call it YaDST "Yet another Debian Setup Tool". Or at least somehow use YaST's best features in D-I.

Sadly, there is little interest for a project like that. There was yast4debian, started around 2004 but stopped aournd 2007/2008.

There was a draft for a similar project:  DCC Debian Control Center; https://wiki.debian.org/DcontrolDraft a. It never grew beyond planning: https://web.archive.org/web/20150919051 … ebcontrol/
Homepage of Debian Control Center, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianControlCenter.

But, it should not be too hard to write some bash-scripts to configure most common settings... Maybe could be an BL project?

I remember seeing that one...sad that it didn't continue for long. Apt and D-I could have at least adopted the best features of YaST and it would have been a much better package manager and installer for Debian. Aptitude seems to be the closest to YaST IMO.


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#1497 2021-09-12 19:40:36

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I've just installed the latest version of AntiX (21 beta2) with runit. It's working well so far except that the screen resolution is still too low at 1024x768.

Anticapitalista does say on the AntiX website that the runit versions are only intended for experienced users of AntiX, which I'm not, but I wanted to find out how well runit worked on my system as I hadn't tried it before.

https://antixlinux.com/author/anticapitalista/

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#1498 Today 00:21:50

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

ExTix likes to take distros and soup them up.
Here he's added a newer kernel and much more. The only live version of Deepin.
His color choices are... not for me.

http://www.extix.se/

Screenshot_20210915034518.th.jpg

Deepin from the source. It is also too colorful, I made some changes.

deeper.th.png deep.th.png deepest.th.png

I'm not much for conspiracy theories, but I wouldn't run this distro; too many other choices out there.

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