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#1451 2021-08-13 02:47:16

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

PackRat wrote:
DeepDayze wrote:
PackRat wrote:

Check it out. I first tried Void a couple years ago when they were one of (if not the) first distro to switch to systemd only - no sysVinit shim or fallback. It was good, but the project was still really new so I went back to Sid/VSIDO. That lasted a year or so, then back to Void when they dropped systemd for runnit (one of the developers had an excellent blog entry for why they dropped systemd - and no, he did not flame systemd in the blog). Been running Void daily since (and ArchLabs on the old HP laptop). I now use their void-mklive script to roll my own installation iso.

Interesting history to say the least. What does Runit have that's superior to systemd or even the old-school Sysvinit? Perhaps I'll find out when I take this for a spin.

As for Vsido, that was one cool distro and shame that VastOne ran into so many issues with installers and such.

They liked the simplicity of administering runnit - it's feature complete and just works. There has been some comments in the dev circle about switching to s6-rc - which is now in the repos.

Hmmm, s6 looks quite interesting and it is like a successor to Runit. Wish Debian can make use of this but it isn't really GPL and that in itself may be a blocker for adoption within Debian and that Debian went all-in with systemd.


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#1452 2021-08-13 19:56:22

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eight.bit.al wrote:

Thanks for the pick!  I found a Gnome iso and tried it out.  Pretty nice.  Updated to Gnome 40 and configured everything as I want.

I've been playing with various Gnome 40 distros lately (Fedora, Manjaro and openSuse Tumbleweed). I don't know if Evolution has changed in recent years (tried it off and on over the years) but I'm finding it very usable.  It's nice to have email, contacts and calendar all in one integrated app and it is way less resource intensive than thunderbird/lightning/tbsync.  Hence my recent attraction to Gnome (I know I can run it in Bunsenlabs but it's so nicely integrated into Gnome).

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#1453 2021-08-14 08:49:37

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kozimodo wrote:

It's nice to have email, contacts and calendar all in one integrated app and it is way less resource intensive than thunderbird/lightning/tbsync.  Hence my recent attraction to Gnome (I know I can run it in Bunsenlabs but it's so nicely integrated into Gnome).

Desktop Environment. It has it's perks.

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#1454 2021-08-14 12:59:03

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kozimodo wrote:

I don't know if Evolution has changed in recent years (tried it off and on over the years) but I'm finding it very usable.  It's nice to have email, contacts and calendar all in one integrated app

I have been using Evolution for a while (without using the Gnome Desktop as such) and I concur; it's an accomplished software - and the easiest to sync calendar & contacts that are not hosted by my email provider.


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#1455 2021-08-14 14:59:27

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hhh wrote:
kozimodo wrote:

It's nice to have email, contacts and calendar all in one integrated app and it is way less resource intensive than thunderbird/lightning/tbsync.  Hence my recent attraction to Gnome (I know I can run it in Bunsenlabs but it's so nicely integrated into Gnome).

Desktop Environment. It has it's perks.

KDE is also getting better and I remembered it once was a bloated crashy mess (KDE 4 especially).


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#1456 2021-08-14 21:36:13

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Anyone tried Void Linux on old (~2003), 32-bit HW?

/Martin


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#1457 2021-08-14 23:35:59

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ohnonot wrote:

I have been using Evolution for a while (without using the Gnome Desktop as such) and I concur; it's an accomplished software - and the easiest to sync calendar & contacts that are not hosted by my email provider.

I have a mail-in-the-box instance and with the email address, Evolution configures email and discovers my contacts and calendars.

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#1458 2021-08-15 08:57:29

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Martin wrote:

Anyone tried Void Linux on old (~2003), 32-bit HW?

/Martin

Now I have tried and I encountered an unusual problem: The live-DVD boots OK but then everything goes black: No desktop. I have tried on my daily ride (a ten year old 64-bit thing) and that works like a charm. I have double-checked and yes, the live-DVD contains a 32-bit iso.

Last time I used the 32-bit HW I used it to practice setting up RAID using two HDDs and md. There are error messages when the live-DVD boots related to this, something about not being able to read MD-whatever. There is no such error message related to the btrfs-based RAID set-up on my main computer. Does this observation -- md-based RAID configuration de-railing live-session -- make sense?

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#1459 2021-08-15 20:11:07

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Martin wrote:
Martin wrote:

Anyone tried Void Linux on old (~2003), 32-bit HW?

/Martin

Now I have tried and I encountered an unusual problem: The live-DVD boots OK but then everything goes black: No desktop. I have tried on my daily ride (a ten year old 64-bit thing) and that works like a charm. I have double-checked and yes, the live-DVD contains a 32-bit iso.

Last time I used the 32-bit HW I used it to practice setting up RAID using two HDDs and md. There are error messages when the live-DVD boots related to this, something about not being able to read MD-whatever. There is no such error message related to the btrfs-based RAID set-up on my main computer. Does this observation -- md-based RAID configuration de-railing live-session -- make sense?

/Martin

Found a 32-bit Linux Mint 17 laying around and tried it. No problem bringing up a working environment. Too heavy for that HW though.

/Martin


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#1460 2021-08-15 20:25:14

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Martin wrote:

Found a 32-bit Linux Mint 17 laying around and tried it. No problem bringing up a working environment. Too heavy for that HW though.

/Martin

Try SparkyLinux MinimalGUI (Openbox/Buster)

https://sparkylinux.org/download/stable/

Like to see how it measures up.

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Edit: There is also a Stretch version on old stable.
https://sparkylinux.org/download/oldstable/

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#1461 2021-08-16 06:34:38

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

eight.bit.al wrote:
Martin wrote:

Found a 32-bit Linux Mint 17 laying around and tried it. No problem bringing up a working environment. Too heavy for that HW though.

/Martin

Try SparkyLinux MinimalGUI (Openbox/Buster)

Sounds like I might as well go with Bunselabs :-)

The point of trying Void was to try something else.

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#1462 2021-08-29 09:36:38

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Yesterday I installed antiX. It also struggles with the graphical side of things. It insists on 640x480 resolution for both Live session and installed. I could only install using the cli installer. It seems antiX choose to run graphics in VESA mode.

I can get 1024x768 if unplugging the screen before booting.

The user interface is *very* laggy (tens of seconds in response time) yet the CPU load and RAM footprint are really low.

Computer 'fun' on a rainy day :-)

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#1463 2021-08-29 12:48:34

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Martin wrote:

Yesterday I installed antiX.

I remember antix. We CS class pupils used it to outfit the computers in our school's IT lab, which were from 2002 or so, with a working operating system the school did not have to jump through hoops for to get licensed, which was impossible at the time due to lack of funding (A.D. 2008 --- Germany is truly lost when it comes to CS education). The dozen of PCs or so ran antix + LXDE, had a Firefox and OpenOffice software plus Eclipse which was really quite enough for the needs of the average student (a) doing homework/research, (b) wanting to learn about programming (c) make a presentation. It was never pretty but it just worked (TM). Low cost efficient solution. The computers were on the same switched network so we also had to set up a DHCP/DNS server, we also had filesharing using SMB (ppl could bring their Windows laptops and "just plug in"). Fun times.

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#1464 2021-08-29 16:19:24

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^Economical, ecological, ahead of your time.

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#1465 2021-08-31 06:51:26

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Martin wrote:

Yesterday I installed antiX. It also struggles with the graphical side of things. It insists on 640x480 resolution for both Live session and installed. I could only install using the cli installer. It seems antiX choose to run graphics in VESA mode.

Virtual machine?


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#1466 2021-08-31 10:17:05

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Screenshot_20210831_111636.th.png Link    Screenshot_20210831_114404.th.png Link

On August 15/16 @arpinux released its new ISO's based on Debian 11.
In QEMU this already looks good and I will "upgrade" this on the x40 from 10.7.   big_smile

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#1467 2021-08-31 12:07:46

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ohnonot wrote:
Martin wrote:

Yesterday I installed antiX. It also struggles with the graphical side of things. It insists on 640x480 resolution for both Live session and installed. I could only install using the cli installer. It seems antiX choose to run graphics in VESA mode.

Virtual machine?

No, a Shuttle SK41G from 2003 with an AMD Athlon CPU. 32-bit.

On Virtualbox I have no issues, at least not when going for the virtual machine boot option.

/Martin


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#1468 2021-08-31 16:54:02

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unklar wrote:

https://scrot.cloud/images/2021/08/31/S … 636.th.png   link  https://scrot.cloud/images/2021/08/31/S … 404.th.png    link

On August 15/16 @arpinux released its new ISO's based on Debian 11.
In QEMU this already looks good and I will "upgrade" this on the x40 from 10.7.   big_smile

That's cool and haven't seen @arpinux around and this release seems to indicate he's still around.


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#1469 2021-08-31 21:51:09

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

nakedeb/Debian 12

(thx unklar)

nakedeb_1.th.png

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#1470 2021-09-01 00:57:55

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

eight.bit.al wrote:

I like it, nice clean and simple!


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#1471 2021-09-01 06:56:45

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DeepDayze wrote:
unklar wrote:

https://scrot.cloud/images/2021/08/31/S … 636.th.png   link  https://scrot.cloud/images/2021/08/31/S … 404.th.png    link

On August 15/16 @arpinux released its new ISO's based on Debian 11.
In QEMU this already looks good and I will "upgrade" this on the x40 from 10.7.   big_smile

That's cool and haven't seen @arpinux around and this release seems to indicate he's still around.

Thank you, for your post. That got my attention that the image links were broken.

I upgraded my nakedeb-1.3(Buster) to the 1.4(Bullseye).
Installed over 100 new packages, updated over 800 packages and removed 17 packages.
Everything went without any problems.

For me as a multiuser, this picture is rare after updating the main bootloader. Mostly you have to do some manual work here too. Additional point for @arpinux.  cool

2021-08-31-16-21-22_scrot.th.png Link   2021-08-31-191958_1024x768_scrot.th.png Link

My precautions for some files in /home were unfounded. I had to spend most of my time fixing my Conky configuration (changed paths of the release files and the platform files of the ThinkPad).
Conky was upgraded from 10.8 to 11.6, with the known RAM bugs of the here triple over-consumption display.

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#1472 2021-09-01 10:07:43

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Hmm, maybe something to try on my old 32-bit box when I give up on antiX? Right now the weather is too nice so don't hold your breath.

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#1473 2021-09-01 13:34:31

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Martin wrote:

Hmm, maybe something to try on my old 32-bit box when I give up on antiX? Right now the weather is too nice so don't hold your breath.

/Martin

Yes there's a 32 bit build of NakeDeb for that. May resurrect my old IBM Thinkpad T42 again and use it as a simple netbook/travel computer.


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#1474 2021-09-01 14:08:20

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Martin wrote:

Hmm, maybe something to try on my old 32-bit box when I give up on antiX? Right now the weather is too nice so don't hold your breath.

/Martin

antiX is perfectly suitable for old computers. I had it myself 
on the x40 for years before helium and then lithium found its place on it. I could not complain, last antiX17.

What ISO do you have installed? Base, Full or?
By the way, your resolution problem is addressed by @anticapitalista here.

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#1475 2021-09-01 14:28:39

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DeepDayze wrote:

I like it, nice clean and simple!

Speaking of clean, I saw this desktop the other day.
The blue is a little strong for me, but the rest is perfect.

nice.th.png

Distro: Arch

Wm: Openbox

bar: Polybar

Font: mplus nerd font mono

Launcher: Rofi (and shutdown prompt)

Terminal Emulator: Urxvt

Music Player: Mpd, Ncmpcpp

Other apps: Qutebrowser, neofetch, cava

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