Distro-hoppers anonymous

johnraff · 2020-02-24 08:40:45

^Thanks. That fits Arch's image I guess, while in Debian the discussion (at least it's no longer a flame war) still goes on...

...but of course Debian users are still free to pursue systemd solutions as they wish. I'm not sure if late adoption necessarily meant less familiarity on the part of developers. Debian are late adopting anything, on principle I think, just as Arch's principle is the exact opposite.

Last edited by johnraff (2020-02-24 08:43:19)

Sun For Miles · 2020-02-24 09:40:30

johnraff wrote:

Debian are late adopting anything, on principle I think, just as Arch's principle is the exact opposite.

That is my understanding as well.

Arch is so bleeding edge that there is zero support for old versions (even security updates are not being backported), which is a mix of a rolling distro and bleeding edge trait. If you want a stable bleeding edge distro you have many options, for example Debian - Unstable branch.

In the end, it is just a question of what do people want from a distro, both long and short term.

glittersloth · 2020-02-24 14:26:28

ohnonot wrote:

johnraff wrote:
ohnonot wrote:
if you want to try a distro that uses systemd, and uses it well, try Archlinux. Or Fedora or CentOS.
Genuinely interested, not trolling, why do you not include Debian in that group?
Question of how much time they had to get familiar with & integrate it.

Wouldn't that also apply to CentOS then?
Sure, I know there are differences between how Red Hat and Debian do things - the former might, on occasion include something that's slightly less than rock stable in the hope of hardening it solid early on during the long release cycles of CentOS or RHEL, while the latter only ever takes stuff that has moss growing on it - but both generally aren't current by design.

Last edited by glittersloth (2020-02-24 14:28:16)

ohnonot · 2020-02-26 07:49:34

Nobody seems to have clicked on the link I provided:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption
It's all very simple really, look at these dates (added to repo/released as default):
Fedora November 2010 / May 2011
Archlinux January 2012 / October 2012
Centos April 2014 / April 2014
Debian April 2012 / April 2015

I'm not saying ArchLinux is superior or the only distro that "knows" systemd; all I said is "if you want to try a distro that uses systemd, and uses it well, try Archlinux." Not only because the ArchWiki has extremely detailed documentation on systemd, but also because other things don't get in the way so much.

Also, imo, ArchLinux is cutting edge (=sharp), not bleeding edge (=pain). There's a difference.
In my experience, pretty stable.

Over and out.

ratcheer · 2020-02-26 14:58:54

Sorry, I've been running Arch for years, so that didn't really pique my interest. But everything you say is correct.

Also, the term "bleeding edge" makes me cringe, even if used for a distro or software that is so far out there that it's painful. But, the term is so commonly used now that I guess I should stop worrying about it.

beaker · 2020-03-22 20:59:12

I've been playing with one of my Solus Plasma installations primarily because I have a friend who had a hard drive bite the dust. Photorec has done a great job in recovering most of his data I believe. For those of you who have used this software before you will know data recovery takes a long time - so I've been using this Solus Plamsa installation for days - and it's great.

My daily for the last 6months has been KissLinux with SoWM window manager. Its blindingly fast but requires a lot of tinkering. I've realised that 99% of my computer use is just browsing the internet and rummmaging around file managers etc. It's not worth the effort when this Solus Plasma installation is pretty darned quick and everything just works effortlessly.

DylanAraps and Kisslinux and the rest of his software is great. Best wishes but adieu. I'm installing Solus Plasma on my main PC.

deleted0 · 2020-03-23 00:26:01

^ Loved it. Like you say, everything just just works. Well, almost. As soon as I open firefox and try to load a web page, my cable modem would reset. Started after I'd been running it for just over a week. Tried everything I could think of, including reinstall. Really disappointed. Went with the default theme, and had to tweak very little, just liked the way it comes set up. It's package manager is very similar to Debian Apt, so small leaning curve there. When I can afford it, I'll replace the cable modem with one of my own and go back to it.

8bit

EDIT: With all implementations of Plasma, I like to turn off all the wobbly windows, fades, slides, transparent terminal backgrounds, etc. When I select something, I want it to happen immediately.

Last edited by deleted0 (2020-03-23 01:02:04)

beaker · 2020-03-23 06:25:51

@eight.bit.al. That's really weird re:your cable modem.

To be honest I could just have easily have said KDE neon and/or Manjaro KDE. I have had good experiences with those also.

I dont't use wobbly windows either, and keep it discrete.

ohnonot · 2020-03-23 07:35:08

eight.bit.al wrote:

As soon as I open firefox and try to load a web page, my cable modem would reset.

Are you saying this happens only with a certain distro? So, when the problem occurs, you have also tested with a different distro?

FWIW, my cable modem blocks internet traffic sometimes when I "tinker too much" - happened recently after installing SailfishOS on a smartphone & installing lots of stuff.
I suspect it's a firewall setting, but the modem's web UI is very limited, I can't really troubleshoot. I just reset the modem, all good until next time.

deleted0 · 2020-03-23 14:54:12

beaker wrote:

@To be honest I could just have easily have said KDE neon and/or Manjaro KDE.

Both worked well for me too. Neon is based on Ubuntu, and that doesn't work for me. Same for Manjaro, based on Arch. No thanks. I want my computer to work for me, not the other way around, and pacman is too much work. At nearly 70, short term memory isn't what it once was, and pacman is too complicated to remember easily. Not meant to offend anyone, freedom of choice and all that. In this case, compilation means power. Knock yourself out.

I don't use wobbly windows either, and keep it discrete.

(typo fixed by me)

And with all that silliness (IMHO) turned off, what's left is a fresh, modern, and snappy UI that makes other DEs (cover your ears Xfce) look dated.

ohnonot wrote:

Are you saying this happens only with a certain distro? So, when the problem occurs, you have also tested with a different distro?

Yes. And only after ten days or so using it. I suspect SuddenLink pushed an update to the modem, It's the only thing I can think might have changed. I haven't keep track, but I've booted and/or installed 100+ distros on this hardware. Lately, every Plasma distro I can find.

... the modem's web UI is very limited, I can't really troubleshoot. I just reset the modem, all good until next time.

Same here. Gateway/modem is so locked down, I can't even set it to bridge mode. One thing or another keeps coming up, but as soon as I can afford it, It gets returned to SL.

Wishing the best for all of you in this troubled time.

8bit

Last edited by deleted0 (2020-03-23 15:02:10)

beaker · 2020-03-23 20:06:03

eight.bit.al wrote:

Wishing the best for all of you in this troubled time.
8bit

^ and to you 8bit and everyone else.

My country has gone into full lockdown

deleted0 · 2020-05-30 02:56:51

Pure Buster with the lightest Xfce I've seen.
A young distro just getting started.

DXT2
https://dxt2.co.za/

The LiveCD is 675MB
The InstallCD is 380MB

Look in /usr/share/dxt2 for some scripts to install programs and a script to create an iso of your creation.

8bit

Last edited by deleted0 (2020-05-30 08:20:32)

johnraff · 2020-05-30 05:41:11

^That looks nice! Downloading now...

deleted0 · 2020-06-11 01:28:00

MiyoLinux

A scaled-down Linux based on the latest Devuan with System V, and Openbox.

Miyo = Make It Your Own. Comes with no pre-installed major applications.

https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2 … /MiyoLinux

https://sourceforge.net/p/miyolinux/wiki/Home/

I installed screenfetch and xfce4-screenshooter and changed the wallpaper for this post.
I really like this one. I could move right in and stay awhile.

8bit

hhh · 2020-06-11 04:28:07

^ 270MB RAM is really good, nice find. I love that Deepin theme spin.

ratcheer · 2020-06-11 13:48:37

Very interesting, @8bit. I have been toying with the idea of switching to Devuan. Miyo looks great!

deleted0 · 2020-06-11 17:25:37

MiyoLinux install notes:

First time using the Refractra Installer.

Early in the install process, one is presented with a screen of choices. Two of which are:
Create a new, separate /home partition
Create a separate /boot partition

I like to create the partitions before running the install. Wording in the installer is from the standpoint there aren't existing partitions. These two choices might be better worded as Use a separate partition. Options to create partitions are offered in the next screen.

Throughout the installer when one is given options; even when there is only one option, it must be highlighted to be selected. This bit me a couple of times. Like in the option to select the swap partition, there is only one choice, but it must be highlighted to select it. When the options are part of a dropdown menu, selected choices won't be highlighted. o.0

There is no 'Back' option. If a mistake is made, one has to start over. Select cancel, and in the Terminal window that starts the install process, enter the password, 'miyo' to restart the process.

Later in the install. one is offered the choices:
Permit sudo for new user? (and keep root account)
Use sudo for new user (and disable root account)
Use sudo only for shutdown (and keep root account)

One can check all three boxes before selecting 'OK'. I didn't want to see what happened if this was done, I was tired of starting over. Selected option two. I can sudo passwd root to turn it back on later.

The challenge of using a new installer is part of distro hopping. :-)

8bit

DeepDayze · 2020-06-12 01:09:09

Devuan looks interesting maybe the BL netinstall magic script may work (albeit with possibly some tweaks) with a Devuan based distro. Must not hurt to try BL on a Devuan base and I might try it in a VM.

Last edited by DeepDayze (2020-06-12 01:09:47)

deleted0 · 2020-07-02 22:58:42

Zenwalk 15.0

http://www.zenwalk.org/

Based on Slackware Current July 2020, w/ Xfce 14.4

One app for each task. Just too many tasks covered, for my taste. Dozens and dozens of apps. Would like to see a minimal version. Was snappy and responsive on my older Core 2 Quad Core w/ 8GiB. Installer was not really for beginners, but not hard either; a text-mode dialog-based installer.

Wallpaper changed from stock to this one, which was provided. Also turned off desktop icon layer for access to right click apps menu. Stock theme and icons. Three panels, system tray (upper right), Whisker Menu (upper left), and window buttons, (vertical on left side)

8bit

Last edited by deleted0 (2020-07-03 03:11:16)

unklar · 2020-07-03 08:06:31

@8bit

Excellent work!

Personally, I don't like a surplus of apps either.
Also XFCE has never really been my case. But this wallpaper is stunning.

Thanks for sharing.

#881 2020-02-24 08:40:45

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

#882 2020-02-24 09:40:30

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

#883 2020-02-24 14:26:28

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

#884 2020-02-26 07:49:34

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

#885 2020-02-26 14:58:54

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

#886 2020-03-22 20:59:12

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

#887 2020-03-23 00:26:01

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

#888 2020-03-23 06:25:51

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

#889 2020-03-23 07:35:08

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

#890 2020-03-23 14:54:12

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

#891 2020-03-23 20:06:03

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

#892 2020-05-30 02:56:51

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

#893 2020-05-30 05:41:11

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

#894 2020-06-11 01:28:00

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

#895 2020-06-11 04:28:07

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

#896 2020-06-11 13:48:37

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

#897 2020-06-11 17:25:37

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

#898 2020-06-12 01:09:09

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

#899 2020-07-02 22:58:42

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

#900 2020-07-03 08:06:31

Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Board footer