Distro-hoppers anonymous

ratcheer · 2020-01-20 13:57:31

I read something a few months ago that out-and-out stated that it's not safe to use PGP or GNUPG for anything, anymore. It seemed to be a reliable source, too. I'll see if I can find a link.

Later - Sorry, apparently I didn't save the link.

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Sector11 · 2020-01-20 14:09:28

Like this link:

Latacora

PackRat · 2020-01-20 18:36:21

clusterF wrote:

PackRat wrote:
I just tried the Lumina desktop from the Void repos. Wouldn't decorate the windows, but everything else appeared to be working. Just a quick look, didn't put much effort into getting it all configured.
I think i will wait until they have legacy boot figured out as currently only efi is working. Im still using old machines that are only bios/mbr enabled.
https://distrowatch.com/?newsid=10788
Have you the ability to install different desktop environments and window managers?

Sure, I just install the one I want to use, either from the Void repo, or a dev's git page, and then edit my ~/.xinitrc file so I can launch it on login. I don't use a display manager like lightdm any more; when I did, I just had to make sure there was a /usr/share/xsession/*.desktop file.

Any distro should allow for that; or is there something else you had in mind when you asked that question?

I'm actually more of a window manager hopper these days; not a whole lot of distro hopping anymore. Hopped over to ArchLabs shortly after it came out - that was the last disto hop I've done. Nate is now working on a new dwm port so I'll check that out when he's done - a win-win.

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ratcheer · 2020-01-20 18:51:39

Thanks, @sector11. I think that may be the same article I read, before.

clusterF · 2020-01-20 23:16:46

PackRat wrote:

clusterF wrote:
PackRat wrote:
I just tried the Lumina desktop from the Void repos. Wouldn't decorate the windows, but everything else appeared to be working. Just a quick look, didn't put much effort into getting it all configured.
I think i will wait until they have legacy boot figured out as currently only efi is working. Im still using old machines that are only bios/mbr enabled.
https://distrowatch.com/?newsid=10788
Have you the ability to install different desktop environments and window managers?
Sure, I just install the one I want to use, either from the Void repo, or a dev's git page, and then edit my ~/.xinitrc file so I can launch it on login. I don't use a display manager like lightdm any more; when I did, I just had to make sure there was a /usr/share/xsession/*.desktop file.
Any distro should allow for that; or is there something else you had in mind when you asked that question?
I'm actually more of a window manager hopper these days; not a whole lot of distro hopping anymore. Hopped over to ArchLabs shortly after it came out - that was the last disto hop I've done. Nate is now working on a new dwm port so I'll check that out when he's done - a win-win.

Just thought it might have been locked down to only use what trident provides. Unheard of in the linux world i suppose so bit of a derp moment from yours truly.

Ill have to check out archlabs dwm when its available.

clusterF · 2020-01-20 23:22:41

ratcheer wrote:

I read something a few months ago that out-and-out stated that it's not safe to use PGP or GNUPG for anything, anymore. It seemed to be a reliable source, too. I'll see if I can find a link.
Later - Sorry, apparently I didn't save the link.

Yes i read something similar to what sector posted up mid 2018 concerning pgp hackage.

Sector11 wrote:

Like this link:

Latacora

Thanks Sector, will have a read of that today.

I think this link is what i read back in 2018.

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/wh … -be-fixed/

PackRat · 2020-01-20 23:30:14

clusterF wrote:

Just thought it might have been locked down to only use what trident provides. Unheard of in the linux world i suppose so bit of a derp moment from yours truly.

Actually, that might be true about Trident; I didn't actually try it (I don't think it's a live session). I just saw that Lumina is now available in the Void repos so I gave it a quick spin.

ohnonot · 2020-01-22 07:40:07

clusterF wrote:

Considering the issues with PGP key distribution

I wasn't aware. Thanks for pointing it out to us.

Sector11 wrote:

Latacora

Thanks for looking that up S11, but I must say: what an opinionated piece of blogging.
Yet another article that complains that some piece of FOSS is too complex and has bad UX and therefore needs to be scrapped and rewritten from scratch.

Look at the headings of the main text:

Absurd Complexity
Swiss Army Knife Design
Mired In Backwards Compatibility
Obnoxious UX
Long-Term Secrets <= maybe relevant
Incoherent Identity
Leaks Metadata <= relevant
No Forward Secrecy <= relevant
Clumsy Keys
Negotiation <= maybe relevant
Janky Code

What is actually relevant to security here, and what is just general complainerism. I didn't read it all (I wouldn't - not another rant like that) - but judging from the heading the signal/noise ratio is less than 50%.
Sorry, $RANDOM_BLOGGER, this article could have been more concise.

Naik · 2020-01-22 10:26:12

ohnonot wrote:

What is actually relevant to security here, and what is just general complainerism. I didn't read it all (I wouldn't - not another rant like that) - but judging from the heading the signal/noise ratio is less than 50%.
Sorry, $RANDOM_BLOGGER, this article could have been more concise.

to add my humble impression: the question would be is there any alternative jet? when it comes to use this or write your own tool from scratch i know what this noob is to be heading for...

naik --greetz

or1o9 · 2020-01-24 14:41:57

WattOS is planned to be reborn as...

https://www.viaos.io/

manyroads · 2020-01-29 01:58:13

For those who have not heard....

https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.ph … 283.0.html

hhh · 2020-01-29 04:11:17

@manyroads, sad news. May I move this to BL&General>Distro-hoppers Anonymous? It's more relevant there and the thread will get more views since it's not in Off Topic and it's a stickied thread.

manyroads · 2020-01-29 18:41:42

Yes, please move the post to the appropriate location.

THX1138 · 2020-02-14 17:43:48

Hope you guys remember me hahahah. I've been busy
with work and with updating my knowledge of unix/linux

On the subject of distro hopping I am running
Bunsenlabs on one machine at the moment
but I have been really impressed with Void Linux
I really do love Bunsenlabs, it's not just the actual distro
It's the knowledge and the dedication you guys have.
When I really need to know something all roads for me
lead back to this forum.

Anyway, I can tell you that, to be honest I'm sort of on the side
of people who mistrust systemd and so have been messing with pretty much EVERY
non-systemd linux distro and unix variant possible
From MX Linux to openindiana and everything inbetween
I doubt you could name a non-systemd distro I have not now tried
They have their faults, it's true
Some are too complex to install, others are lacking a decent knowledge base
some lack a decent package manager
I am often tempted to just accept systemd is here to stay
I know it prolly wont happen but my greatest hope is that you guys get a
non-systemd version of Bunsenlabs going, though I think I read another thread
where you said it would likely never happen

ANYWAY I just thought I'd say that the two best non-systemd OS's I found were Illumos openindiana and Void Linux. I've really done my research on non-systemd OS's to the extent of my limited knowledge and needs

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Bridouz · 2020-02-14 21:04:30

I've too been messing with non-systemd distributions.

Void is really nice
Alpine is very minimal and is becoming really great for desktop use
I've also tried Kiss Linux, Dylan Araps is a very talented and dedicated guy. But compilation id a very time-consuming process and does not give many performance improvements

And in the end I came back on Debian/BunsenLabs. Stable is really nice for me. To have an OS which does not change and works without too many tweaks is a must-have. Too much stuff to do in Life 1.0.

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Nili · 2020-02-15 17:55:42

When i started my journey on Linux systemd it hadn't yet infected major distros like Arch, Debian or even Fedora for end-users.

While i was in #! (Waldorf) also on testing (Janice) felt the first systemd transitions, at first i didn't accept it, but i got used to it on my daily tasks.
Since Janice never saw the light of day unfortunately. I was able to move on Debian Jessie, thanks to users/tutorial from #! forum managed to install my first custom NETINST.

So, I learned to survive and live with systemd, For two years i used systemd. In the meantime, time after time i saw that another system was emerging. That was Dev1, while i had an eye there, one day decided to give it a try. At first I liked the fact that the ISO was only 220MB. I'm really obsessed with distro size, less the better. Once i installed Dev1 My first impression was. Well that's Debian Wheezy or Crunchbang Waldorf that i was used to have fun.
I installed it and from that day one of my desktops is with it. However, sometimes i go to Install Debian like 10.3 i did few days ago, however already i can't find myself there anymore for many reasons.

systemd has brought a lot of benefits and facilities to users or mostly new users, at the same time has separated some others because of it's policies or the other standarts she wants to decide to made.

The reason i don't use BunsenLabs is because of systemd sorry, but i was part of this forum for many years. I have seen many hours of works and adjusts, my dear BL friends have done over the years, despite not using it, I congratulate and wish them only to achieve every possible purpose or exemplary achievement.

To make BL non systemd, I see ther's no point to make another non-systemd distro. It requires a great deal of energy or resources of people available.
Everybody who use it, enjoy the BL cake as it is imo!

My primary distro now is FreeBSD, I'm still new to this system or BSD-derivates, but I'm glad I took the first steps on BSD.

Colonel Panic · 2020-02-23 07:32:02

Sometimes I feel like I'm the least qualified person on this forum to comment on technical matters where Linux is concerned, but despite that I'd like to say that for me the jury's still out on systemd; I use distros both with it (such as Bunsen) and without it (such as Slackware and Devuan). I think it's good that alternatives still exist for those who want them.

I recently installed ExGent, a Swedish distro based on Gentoo, and am learning a bit about Gentoo as a result. It doesn't have as big a repository as Debian has (I couldn't find a way to install Osmo, for example) and compiling a package such as Thunderbird or LibreOffice takes literally hours, but once it's all up and running it seems to be trouble free.

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ohnonot · 2020-02-24 07:27:45

Colonel Panic wrote:

I'd like to say that for me the jury's still out on systemd; I use distros both with it (such as Bunsen) and without it (such as Slackware and Devuan). I think it's good that alternatives still exist for those who want them.

Totally agree.
I happened to start using ArchLinux I think 2 years after they switched to systemd (which they did in 2012, only Fedora before that!). So, early adopters.
At that time I was blissfully unaware of such topics, but in retrospect I can say if you want to try a distro that uses systemd, and uses it well, try Archlinux. Or Fedora or CentOS.

johnraff · 2020-02-24 07:44:14

ohnonot wrote:

if you want to try a distro that uses systemd, and uses it well, try Archlinux. Or Fedora or CentOS.

Genuinely interested, not trolling, why do you not include Debian in that group?

ohnonot · 2020-02-24 08:00:22

johnraff wrote:

Genuinely interested, not trolling, why do you not include Debian in that group?

Question of how much time they had to get familiar with & integrate it.
See the link I provided.
Also AL's philosophy of getting rid of cruft & sticking to what upstream provides, there's a natural interest to replace more and more things with systemd solutions.

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