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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

@unklar, what @packrat said

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

@PackRat,
do you know which desktop @cog chose with the new ‘gila-ISO’ from 2025-08-14 ?
https://hatcherylinux.org/download/

Should be awesome window manager. The vertical bars are awesome widgets.

Thanks for your assessment. 

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

@unklar, what @packrat said

Thanks for your work!
Would you take on Hyprland again? Awesome isn't really my thing. 

hhh

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

@unklar, what @packrat said

Thanks for your work!
Would you take on Hyprland again? Awesome isn't really my thing. 

I'll stick my 2 cents in to say that I wouldn't do it on Debian. The sid package is v.41 and the git is v.50, and that's not looking at what supporting packages are available on sid.

To get current Hyprland on Debian you have to build a half dozen packages, at least, from source. And then you could only release that as a static build for an ISO, it would be up to the user to rebuild everything (hopefully all the *-dev packages needed in the first place would be included on the ISO). And those new versions keep coming, along with new versions of the supporting stuff.

Anyway, a monumental pain in the keister, a hot mess of rapid development. Do it on Arch.

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Have I mentioned how awesome (no pun intended) a desktop environment Wayfire/wf-shell with mako-notifier on Debian trixie is? Totally awesome.

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 33#p145333

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

@hhh

^Thanks for your two cents.

I'm still using @JaKooLit's version on hyprland.  I'm very happy with how stable it runs.
I understand the endless work that would fall on @cog, for example. It's hardly possible to do it alone.

Nevertheless, you're confusing me, see:

apt policy hyprland
hyprland:
  Installiert:           (keine)
  Installationskandidat: 0.41.2+ds-1.3
  Versionstabelle:
     0.41.2+ds-1.3 500
        500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages

inxi -Sxxx
System:
  Host: efischrott Kernel: 6.16.3-2-siduction-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64
    compiler: gcc v: 15.2.0 clocksource: tsc
  Desktop: Hyprland v: 0.41.2 with: waybar vt: 1 lm: seatd v: 0.9.1
    Distro: siduction 2023.1.1 giants - nox - (202405152137) base: Debian
    GNU/Linux forky/sid

fastfetch -c neofetch -l siduction
                _aass,                      unklarer@efischrott
               jQh: =$w                     -------------------
               QWmwawQW                     OS: Debian GNU/Linux forky/sid x86_64
               )$QQQQ@(   ..                Host: OMEN by HP Laptop
         _a_a.   ~??^  syDY?Sa,             Kernel: 6.16.3-2-siduction-amd64
       _mW>-<$c       jWmi  imm.            Uptime: 15 mins
       ]QQwayQE       4QQmgwmQQ`            Packages: 2026 (dpkg)
        ?WWQWP'       -9QQQQQ@'._aas,       Shell: bash 5.2.37
 _a%is.        .adYYs,. -"?!` aQB*~^3$c     Resolution: 1920x1080
_Qh;.nm       .QWc. {QL      ]QQp;..vmQ/    WM: Hyprland 0.41.2 (Wayland)
"QQmmQ@       -QQQggmQP      ]QQWmggmQQ(    Theme: Catppuccin-Mocha [Qt], Flat-Remix-GTK-Blue-Light [GTK2/3]
 -???"         "$WQQQY`  __,  ?QQQQQQW!     Icons: Tokyonight-Dark [Qt], Flat-Remix-Blue-Light [GTK2/3]
        _yZ!?q,   -   .yWY!!Sw, "???^       Terminal: xfce4-terminal 1.1.4
       .QQa_=qQ       mQm>..vmm             Terminal Font: Monospace 10
        $QQWQQP       $QQQgmQQ@             CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700HQ (8) @ 3.500GHz
         "???"   _aa, -9WWQQWY`             GPU: GeForce GTX 965M
               _mB>~)$a  -~~                GPU: HD Graphics 530
               mQms_vmQ.                    Memory: 1594MiB / 7846MiB
               ]WQQQQQP
                -?T??"                                              
                                                                    

???

Have I mentioned how awesome (no pun intended) a desktop environment Wayfire/wf-shell with mako-notifier on Debian trixie is? Totally awesome.

apt policy wayfire wf-shell
wayfire:
  Installiert:           (keine)
  Installationskandidat: 0.9.0-5
  Versionstabelle:
     0.9.0-5 500
        500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
wf-shell:
  Installiert:           (keine)
  Installationskandidat: 0.9.0+ds-2
  Versionstabelle:
     0.9.0+ds-2 500
        500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages

Is that easier than labwc (hyprland anyway)?  What is the basis for Wayfire?
You keep raving about it. labwc rarely occurs in your case.

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

@unklar, what @packrat said

Thanks for your work!
Would you take on Hyprland again? Awesome isn't really my thing. 

I'll stick my 2 cents in to say that I wouldn't do it on Debian. The sid package is v.41 and the git is v.50, and that's not looking at what supporting packages are available on sid.

To get current Hyprland on Debian you have to build a half dozen packages, at least, from source. And then you could only release that as a static build for an ISO, it would be up to the user to rebuild everything (hopefully all the *-dev packages needed in the first place would be included on the ISO). And those new versions keep coming, along with new versions of the supporting stuff.

Anyway, a monumental pain in the keister, a hot mess of rapid development. Do it on Arch.

Very true.

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hhh

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

@unklar, I'll put together a tutorial for a Wayfire setup on Debian trixie. Yes, I like it a lot more than labwc at the moment, I'm sorry to say. It's Compiz with an actual wl-roots shell under it. I think it's fun and brilliant.

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

@unklar, I'll put together a tutorial for a Wayfire setup on Debian trixie. Yes, I like it a lot more than labwc at the moment, I'm sorry to say. It's Compiz with an actual wl-roots shell under it. I think it's fun and brilliant.

Wow, I'm excited! 

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

@Colonel Panic - you had your most recent Manjaro post in the wayfire tutorial. I deleted it. Can you repost it here.

Thanks.

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Sorry about the mistake. No I can't I'm afraid, I have no record of it.

It wasn't all that important, just an observation about the distro mostly being fine apart from what seems to be a bug with the boot menu (which freezes for no obvious reason).

Last edited by Colonel Panic (2025-09-05 20:06:18)

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

I'm running low on blank DVD-Rs at the moment but I have a couple of spare USB drives, so am experimenting with creating bootable live USBs of distros from the ISO instead (using the MX tool for that purpose).

Someone's created a Moksha version of MX, and I'm posting from it now. They've clearly put a lot of work into it and I think they've done a fine job; all the expected MX tools and utilities are there, along with the bright and attractive Moksha desktop manager. Wine is included too.

https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=84726

Last edited by Colonel Panic (2025-09-09 15:29:51)

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

@Colonel Panic - you had your most recent Manjaro post in the wayfire tutorial. I deleted it. Can you repost it here.

Sorry about the mistake. No I can't I'm afraid, I have no record of it.
It wasn't all that important, just an observation about the distro mostly being fine apart from what seems to be a bug with the boot menu (which freezes for no obvious reason).

It arrived in my email notifications before being deleted.
For the record, here's what you posted:

Just installed the latest version of Manjaro (25.0). It's all working well except for the old problem of the boot menu locking up for no apparent reason, which doesn't appear to have been fixed unfortunately.

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Thanks John.

I have Slackware Current on my machine. I solved the problem by using the boot repair utility in AntiX (or MX, I forget which now) to install Grub in Slack, create a boot menu  and then have it probe my hard drive for the installed distros to add to the menu.

I'm posting from Manjaro now. It's working OK but I haven't updated yet and that's usually when the "fun" starts and things start breaking and going wrong.

Last edited by Colonel Panic (2025-09-10 09:06:12)

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Lilidog Linux for Trixie

Even though there is no website or forum any more, apparently Sleek Mason has continued to work on Lilidog. A couple of days ago he uploaded new Trixie based iso's for Lilidog and Beardog to Source Forge.  It looks as though they will continue to be X11 based and use tint2. They seem very polished.

One thing I enjoyed was the ability to try the xlibre X11 server since I am still not convinced that wayland is ready.  To install it I did:

sudo apt install extrepo
sudo extrepo enable xlibre
sudo apt update
sudo apt install xlibre

Last edited by dmontaine (2025-10-03 14:40:43)

Colonel Panic

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Thanks, I've downloaded this now. I agree that the Lilidog project deserves to survive and, if you're in touch with Sleek, please thank him for keeping the project alive..

Last edited by Colonel Panic (2025-10-04 00:32:12)

hhh

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

if you're in touch with Sleek, please thank him for keeping the project alive..

He's alive, kicking, and posting recently here.

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 47#p145647

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Thanks, I've downloaded this now. I agree that the Lilidog project deserves to survive and, if you're in touch with Sleek, please thank him for keeping the project alive..

Thank you! :)  Lilidog is still hosted on https://sourceforge.net/projects/lilidog/ and development will continue moving forward.  Super excited to seeing what can be done further with Trixie!

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Thank you!   Lilidog is still hosted on https://sourceforge.net/projects/lilidog/ and development will continue moving forward.  Super excited to seeing what can be done further with Trixie!

I must get my butt in gear and get my new BareDog (SoxDox) up and running.

I get nervous and procrastinate at these times.

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

In a perfect world I would hope the developers of BunsenLabs would adopt Lilidog and provide some of the things it is missing: A website presence, a repository and a forum subgroup.  Apparently Sleek Mason just didn't feel able to manage the whole distro public presence thing, but still enjoys working with the software.  The combination of his creativity with the skills of some of the BunsenLabs folks could create a really spectacular distro still based on Openbox, X11 (preferably xLibre) and tint2.