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unklar · 2024-06-30 13:07:15

systemd's alternative to sudo --> run0

Works. Incorrect password is rejected. A third possibility. I use doas.

Colonel Panic · 2024-07-01 19:45:50

Coming back to OpenSUSE; I know it is comparatively unloved these days and even the Gecko dev, who has used OpenSUSE as a basis for his own distro, is now telling people to migrate to Debian instead.

I will continue to use OpenSUSE Leap though because unlike other distros I've used recently it just works reliably and gets the job done, and you can update it after a decent interval with no problems.

@unklar; thanks, I'm going to look into run0. It looks very capable;

https://linux-audit.com/systemd/run0-in … and-usage/

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unklar · 2024-07-02 08:28:24

Colonel Panic wrote:

Coming back to OpenSUSE; I know it is comparatively unloved these days and even the Gecko dev, who has used OpenSUSE as a basis for his own distro, is now telling people to migrate to Debian instead.
I will continue to use OpenSUSE Leap though because unlike other distros I've used recently it just works reliably and gets the job done, and you can update it after a decent interval with no problems.
@unklar; thanks, I'm going to look into run0. It looks very capable;
https://linux-audit.com/systemd/run0-in … and-usage/

Thanks for the link. I didn't know it yet.

yak · 2024-07-02 10:16:13

Colonel Panic wrote:

it is comparatively unloved these days and even the Gecko dev, who has used OpenSUSE as a basis for his own distro, is now telling people to migrate to Debian instead.

It seems like I'm out of the loop! What happened with OpenSUSE?

Colonel Panic · 2024-07-02 16:34:39

Here's a Reddit thread on just that topic. My impression is that it comes down to poor marketing;

https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comme … unpopular/

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hhh · 2024-07-02 19:21:13

Colonel Panic wrote:

Here's a Reddit thread on just that topic. My impression is that it comes down to poor marketing;
https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comme … unpopular/

I don't see any comment from the dev of GeckoLinux & SpiralLinux recommending Debian over OpenSuse. Did I miss it?

Colonel Panic · 2024-07-02 20:49:56

hhh wrote:

Colonel Panic wrote:
Here's a Reddit thread on just that topic. My impression is that it comes down to poor marketing;
https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comme … unpopular/
I don't see any comment from the dev of GeckoLinux & SpiralLinux recommending Debian over OpenSuse. Did I miss it?

No, it's not there hhh but he definitely says something to that effect on the Gecko forum. I'll see if I can find it.

Colonel Panic · 2024-07-02 20:56:19

Here are a couple of threads where the dev recommends switching to Spiral; there may be others, but the forum isn't very easy to search for posts (unlike this one)

https://github.com/geckolinux/geckolinu … ssions/514

https://github.com/geckolinux/geckolinu … ssions/503

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hhh · 2024-07-02 21:39:57

^ Thanks, That's odd, though... openSuse has their End of Life standards for Leap posted here...

https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime

yak · 2024-07-03 09:50:22

Thanks for the links. Yeah, I feel like OpenSUSE it's doing a bit of a mess lately with all this changing and splitting.
I never liked it that much, but now it just feels unapproachable to me

Colonel Panic · 2024-07-03 12:25:37

hhh wrote:

^ Thanks, That's odd, though... openSuse has their End of Life standards for Leap posted here...
https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime

Thanks hhh. The imminence of December 2024 (the expected EOL for Leap 15.5) doesn't bother me; I'll switch to something else if I can't update to 15.6 although I should be able to. The people it will affect most (and probably the people gecko has in mind - I should ask him really) are those people who want to be able to put a distro on their machine and run it exclusively for years on end with nothing but periodic upgrades.

OpenSUSE Slowroll, which updates every month, also looks promising although it's still in the experimental stage;

https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Slowroll

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Colonel Panic · 2024-07-04 10:43:34

yak wrote:

Thanks for the links. Yeah, I feel like OpenSUSE it's doing a bit of a mess lately with all this changing and splitting.
I never liked it that much, but now it just feels unapproachable to me

That's a shame. because I've always found Leap pretty solid and reliable and Yast is an excellent tool.

https://yast.opensuse.org/

I think it needs better marketing though. SUSE probably don't care all that much because they make their money from the Enterprise versions. This lack of accessibility (to newbies in particular) is one reason why Gecko was produced;; it installs as standard all the multimedia codecs that OpenSUSE doesn't.

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kozimodo · 2024-07-04 18:17:22

I installed openSUSE Tumbleweed the other day and I must say that I'm pretty happy with it. They do need better marketing and one small annoyance that I've found is their console login welcome message: "Have a lot of fun..." Cute but gives off a non-professional feel to the distro. Otherwise seems great!

Colonel Panic · 2024-07-05 20:57:55

Excellent! I sometimes browse the OpenSUSE subforum on Reddit and Tumbleweed seems popular on there, but it is sometimes stressed that you need to keep it updated regularly (as I said, Leap is more tolerant in this respect, the downside being that its software is less current than Tumbleweed's). Horses for courses.

[Edit: the beta version of Mint 22 has just been released, and it works well as a live disk but when I tried to install it the installer crashed just as grub was being installed and configured. So at this stage I can't really recommend Mint 22 (although 21 still works fine).]

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Nili · 2024-07-07 11:59:07

Tumbleweed it is a rock solid OS. Two years with it, it has gone very well for me.

altman · 2024-07-07 15:00:55

Thx @Colonel Panic @darknetmatrix, might check those out !

kozimodo · 2024-07-07 19:04:08

Nili wrote:

Tumbleweed it is a rock solid OS. Two years with it, it has gone very well for me.

What kind of environment are you using? I'm curious as to how well Gnome handles an in place upgrade.

Nili · 2024-07-08 05:29:17

kozimodo wrote:

What kind of environment are you using? I'm curious as to how well Gnome handles an in place upgrade.

KDE, I've been using KDE exclusively for two years. I came from Fedora GNOME to openSUSE Tumbleweed.

Incidentally i wanted to see what KDE looked liked? but what i saw made me do a turn switch from GNOME to KDE. I'm completely in KDE currently due to chances of themes able customizations, Apps, I like a few app that can't go without them, Dolphin, kTorrent, Elisa Player, Kate, Gwenview, Spectacle and so on... I don't know what to say about GNOME on openSUSE, haven't used on this OS. But, on Fedora i had a very good experience for about a year. I see environment openSUSE Tumbleweed KDE / Fedora GNOME as a good choice.

Watch them both on LIVECD and decide which one seems more suitable to you.

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Colonel Panic · 2024-07-12 08:37:32

In other news; I've just updated Debian Bookworm to its latest version, and it mostly went well except that the menus disappeared in Mate (the desktop environment I mostly use in Debian), so I switched to LXQT instead. LXQT isn't perfect but the menus are back .

Bearded_Blunder · 2024-07-13 06:39:56

I like LXQT, it's my 2nd choice of Debian based desktop after Bunsen.. Or my choice when I've time on mt hands (fat chance) and am playing with Gentoo.

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