DW comments & LibreOffice cons

kimlik66 · 2016-01-17 07:11:17

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

^ Thanks for the heads-up kimlik66!

See also comment #85
Mod Note: Merged with pre-existing BunsenLabs Reviews thread.

Yes i read your response and i was happy to see it had generated more comments/publicity afterward on distrowatch
You probably have already read all those comments too, but (just in case) i decided to quote here the below-stated DiSTROWATCH comment#83 as (in my opinion) it has an outstanding feedback value in terms of improving the distro furthermore.

Distrowatch comment #83 wrote:

Or Mint LXLE? Now that would be both lean and productive - and not merely minimal. Or replicating the functionality and robustness of Linux Mint (without a "DE" - maybe just FLTK/OpenBox?) on Qubes_OS/Aboriginal Linux, before XML and binary-blobs take over? There's a fine challenge!

Also i need to state that the above-stated Distrowatch comment #83 does not mention or reffer to Bunsenlabs per se. Therefore (in order to grasp a sense of it) please refer to Distrowatch comment #91 which talks about Bunsenlabs extensively and within this context reffers to Comment #83.

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hhh · 2016-01-18 07:27:24

pvsage wrote:

^ Besides, what alternatives are there to LO Writer? (Don't say "Abiword"; that's been broken for a while now, and there doesn't seem to be any rush to fix it.)

I'd venture to say none. Critizing the decision to include libreoffice-writer/-core/-common is as stupid as any other thread that evangelizes this or that or those packages... suck it up, buttercup, dpkg and apt are your friends.

we carez bout DW comments? puh-leaze.

KrunchTime · 2016-01-19 01:33:46

@kimlik66: It's refer/refers, not reffer/reffers.

I'm sensing that some do not like LibreOffice Writer installed by default. I agree with this opinion, but there is the network install option. However, I do understand the need to have it when running BL Live.

How about Write Type? It's only a little over 6mb and is available in the Debian repos.

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nobody0 · 2016-01-19 07:32:59

KrunchTime wrote:

How about Write Type? It's only a little over 6mb and is available in the Debian repos.

Thanks for the link.

@pvsage
Abiword works well. LO is bit too much for simple writing.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-01-19 07:37:31

KrunchTime wrote:

However, I do understand the need to have it when running BL Live.

Can you explain it to me then please because I don't understand

The main purpose of a live disk (beyond checking hardware compatibility) is system maintenance/repair and anonymous browsing (ie, internet banking).

IMO the live ISO should drop LO-Writer.

nobody0 · 2016-01-19 07:41:35

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

The main purpose of a live disk (beyond checking hardware compatibility) is system maintenance/repair and anonymous browsing (ie, internet banking).

And, whether it is worth installing.

ohnonot · 2016-01-19 08:28:22

i wondered myself sometimes why all people seem to demand a big and unwieldy office suite like libre office.
abiword would do just fine for inclusion into the .iso.
otoh, network bandwidth and usb sticks sizes are not a big issue these days, and why not include something that is slightly less than trivial to install.
tbh, i don't remember whether libreoffice writer was installed from the beginning; it is now, but all the other elements (calc, impress...) are not. i think that's an acceptable default.

damo · 2016-01-19 08:35:31

IIRC including LO Writer was a compromise (as is everything!). Most didn't want the whole suite, but there is the argument that Writer improves the functionality of the Live iso (reading M$ docs), and is an example of what the distro could do.

pvsage · 2016-01-19 11:19:53

To put the Abiword sidebar to bed, I just installed it on my system to confirm that its UI still has problems (most likely a hardware acceleration issue). Adjust the margins and the rulers get obscured; same thing happens if I type more than one line of text. Not exactly behavior I'd associate with an application that "works well".

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-01-19 11:48:35

damo wrote:

IIRC including LO Writer was a compromise (as is everything!). Most didn't want the whole suite, but there is the argument that Writer improves the functionality of the Live iso (reading M$ docs), and is an example of what the distro could do.

OK, that makes sense.

I just wasn't aware that people were using live USB sticks to work with WYSIWYG work processors and docx files.

EDIT: How do they save their documents if they use LO Writer in the live environment?

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Unia · 2016-01-19 11:59:27

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

EDIT: How do they save their documents if they use LO Writer in the live environment?

In the cloud, man

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-01-19 12:01:44

^ lol.

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iMBeCil · 2016-01-19 12:15:58

My 2 cents:

Why would someone run Live BL? IMHO, mainly for three reasons:
1) to see how it looks, and whether it supports his/her hardware
2) to do quick "edit-and-run" documents/images/whatever, on possibly unsecured/compromised (read: M$) system
3) to attempt serious data rescue (although, then I would use grml or other specialized distro)

I argue that in both 1) and 2), the LO-Writer, LO-Calc and LO-Impress are a must (along with PDF viewer, image viewer, audio/video viewer, text editor, IceWeasel ... and perhaps some simple image editor). Either as a show case, or to do 'bussines'.

(Personally, I always keep with me an USB with BL ISO, either for 1) or 2), and sometimes for simple data rescue. Irrespective the fact that I don't use BL on my production comp ...)

So, please, keep the LO-Writer/Calc/Impress in Live BL. I think it make more sense.

OTOH, BL could offer two ISOs: one with and other without LO in Live BL ... I don't know how much more effort is required for this ...

iMBeCil · 2016-01-19 12:17:13

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

EDIT: How do they save their documents if they use LO Writer in the live environment?

Save it in Live Environment, and then email it somewhere via webmail?

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-01-19 12:19:11

iMBeCil wrote:

OTOH, BL could offer two ISOs: one with and other without LO in Live BL ... I don't know how much more effort is required for this ...

This would be my preferred option, a few ISO images from the very light weight to the fully-featured swiss-army knife approach.

Obviously, the real issue here is the effort required.

I think I may need to learn how to build live ISO images

@hhh: what dox are you following?

perchslayer · 2016-01-19 13:10:33

ohnonot wrote:

i wondered myself sometimes why all people seem to demand a big and unwieldy office suite like libre office.
abiword would do just fine for inclusion into the .iso.
otoh, network bandwidth and usb sticks sizes are not a big issue these days, and why not include something that is slightly less than trivial to install.
tbh, i don't remember whether libreoffice writer was installed from the beginning; it is now, but all the other elements (calc, impress...) are not. i think that's an acceptable default.

*ALL* people?! Really? Was there a survey? If so, I missed it. So there is one (1).

But here is a thought: Let's say you had a non-profit. And you had a list of 1000 folks or so. And you needed to do a mail merge. Is AbiWord gonna get you there? Or, for that matter, is the crap formerly known as Kingsoft?

Yes, Ubuntu took "marketing for inclusion" to the "Dark Side" to be sure. But that doesn't mean you need to potentially miss or even alienate the folks in the real world who actually do office stuff on a daily basis.

deleted0 · 2016-01-19 13:26:34

Is it possible sensible to put everything in the live desktop and two install scripts on the .iso; one that installs a minimum base and one that installs the full Monty?

8bit

Edit: Or even two (chose one) live desktops?

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nobody0 · 2016-01-19 14:04:42

Why would someone run a Live iso?

iMBeCil wrote:

1) to see how it looks, and whether it supports his/her hardware

And, also to see whether it could be run in your language.

perchslayer · 2016-01-19 14:56:13

ostrolek wrote:

Why would someone run a Live iso?
iMBeCil wrote:
1) to see how it looks, and whether it supports his/her hardware
And, also to see whether it could be run in your language.

Precisely! I ran the live Bunsen Labs to first find out 2 things: If I was going to have to go through b43 driver nightmare that I went though the last time around about 4 years ago. And also to see what is what with printers.

perchslayer · 2016-01-19 14:59:57

Here is a general question I have: If there is a cadre of folks that are not happy with the Bunsen Labs decisions process regarding software inclusion and they are really all about "lean and mean", then why are they not running, say, Slackware? Or Arch Linux? Or better still, "Roll-Your-Own" where they can pick and choose and compile each and every stinking bash command that they deem as worthy and leave out the rest?

As my buddies in the Big Boys (Austin Punk Band of the 80s) used to say: "Sk8 Tough or Go Home" and "Get Your Own Band".

<grin>

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