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micko01

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

...Trixie aren't the latest either...

There's also the option of putting the whole thing on hold till Forky becomes Testing.

Trixie has a looong way to go yet. Still no geany package - suffering with gedit and scite . Been using geany since at least 2008, and actually nano is more comfortable than the former two.

I think it's good to get in a bit of ground work now; got to start somewhere.

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#!/bin/sh
echo '#include <stdio.h>\nvoid main() { printf("Hi, bunsenlabs\\n"); return; }' > bunsen.c
gcc bunsen.c -o bunsen
./bunsen

johnraff

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

^I was half-joking. I think it would be good to at least have a basic Wayland option for Carbon, along with the full-fat X11 versions. As you say, do some ground work.

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I used scite way back on Windows 98 - it was OK. Notepad++ I quite liked too. The reason I switched to geany on Linux was that it's based on the same Scintilla engine as scite and Notepad++.

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johnraff

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

@micko01 I notice you've forked bunsen-netinstall. I did indeed think it might be a useful platform for sharing experimental Wayland setups because it's easy to tweak the system install without hacking the packages themselves. Things like extra files to install, commands to run during the install etc - things that ultimately will be baked into packages, but need testing out first.

I just added an option to use the "base" package list to bunsen-netinstall, so you might want to pull that commit too (though for your purposes just editing the existing package lists might work as well).

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micko01

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

^ yes and hacking hard! (nasty hacks but they will settle over time).

Using a base but added `netsurf-gtk` as dillo doesn't work on wayland. I notice `light-locker` 'recommends' xserver-xorg - although doesn't work without it. That's ok, we have to log in!

Progressing well actually, getting an almost configured labwc desktop

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#!/bin/sh
echo '#include <stdio.h>\nvoid main() { printf("Hi, bunsenlabs\\n"); return; }' > bunsen.c
gcc bunsen.c -o bunsen
./bunsen

johnraff

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

^Sounds very encouraging.

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micko01

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

^Progress Report

Now have everything booting and configured in a VM - see here for screen shots. Bare metal soon. I have an old i3 laptop to test on, just have to back it up as it has some old data I want to keep.

Nicely, trixie has updated to labwc-0.7.1 so I have been fixing up `rc.xml` to take advantage of the newer features which is a bit more in line with current openbox.

I also have a script which parses the key-bindings in rc.xml and prints them to stdout for conky. Works well but needs a good tidy up. Getting used to SciTE once I configured it better for my bad eyes!

My intention, sooner or later, is to offer a PR for bunsen-netinstall starting out with something like a 'wbase' config which includes the basics for a usable labwc desktop

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#!/bin/sh
echo '#include <stdio.h>\nvoid main() { printf("Hi, bunsenlabs\\n"); return; }' > bunsen.c
gcc bunsen.c -o bunsen
./bunsen

hhh

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

Very nice!

Noticing there are no shadows. I've messed with labwc a bit, but haven't payed attention to that aspect of it.

Are there no shadows on windows with labwc? Animations? I know this is more a question for @malm, but wondering if you knew anything. I've experimented with it but got distracted by a certain controversial WM (hyprland, which I'm currently using by building it from source on noble, which is basically trixie).

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micko01

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

^no, shadows aren't enabled  - yet. They're merged and will be in labwc-0.7.2 which will hopefully (likely methinks) make Trixie when stable. Animations are not part of the Labwc Scope

Bare metal install worked well, using it now, but it's not for noobs doing a net install, for sure!

This is WIP and there will be scope in my work to choose other compositors such as, sway, hyprland, wayfire and river (or whatever else) either OOTB or by editing the config files. I don't want to do some half baked solution

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#!/bin/sh
echo '#include <stdio.h>\nvoid main() { printf("Hi, bunsenlabs\\n"); return; }' > bunsen.c
gcc bunsen.c -o bunsen
./bunsen

johnraff

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

^Progress Report...

Very encouraging.

I also have a script which parses the key-bindings in rc.xml and prints them to stdout for conky. Works well but needs a good tidy up.

Do you know that there is a BL utility packaged with bunsen-pipemenus which parses rx.xml keybinds? It uses that output, combined with parsing xbindkeys' configs, in the keybinds pipemenu
Menu > User Settings > Keybinds.
Maybe it would help you avoid duplication of work, or maybe OTOH you could PR some improvements to the BL code?

My intention, sooner or later, is to offer a PR for bunsen-netinstall starting out with something like a 'wbase' config which includes the basics for a usable labwc desktop

That will be great!
Only one thing - could you wait untill there's a Carbon branch of the netinstall script, and base your PR off that? I've got a few tasks to get done, but migrating BL packages to Carbon/Trixie is one of them, and netinstall should not be particularly difficult.

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One general note: Debian Trixie is going through a patch of instability right now related to migration to a new 64-bit time standard. People who don't need to install Trixie right now might want to wait... a couple of weeks?
https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/20 … 00074.html

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

One general note: Debian Trixie is going through a patch of instability right now related to migration to a new 64-bit time standard. People who don't need to install Trixie right now might want to wait... a couple of weeks?
https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/20 … 00074.html

For reassurance, on three siduction and 2 sid/trixi installations, the new 64-bit time migration no longer plays a role here. 

johnraff

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

^I haven't tried anything myself, but I get the impression that a lot of the problems are/were round debootstrap which only plays a part when installing a new system. So existing systems are likely OK.

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micko01

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

Progress Report #2

I'm doing bare metal tests now on 2 test beds; a HP Pavilion g6 series laptop, i3, 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD, broken keyboard (no ctrl, left shift or capslock ) and an Acer Iconia -Tab PC but doesn't seem to register touch events any more, but still has a great battery and keyboard dock; it's all AMD hardware so very compatible with wayland. Has 100GB SSD and a measly 2GB RAM, but it's doing the job just fine as I'm using it now with .. Chromium memory hog! Tested some youtube videos and working well.

It's hit and miss with the debian-testing-netinstall.iso. I Snagged one (a daily) about 5 days ago that's working fine.

The HP works fine but on logout trying to login again gets stuck in a loop. Only work around is to login to tty after a reboot. No such issue on the Acer, it's running sweetly.

The Acer

It's nearly time to post a developer preview 'hackinstall' script for the curious. Takes < 20 mins start to finish in a VM, a bit longer on metal because there is due care and diligence required when partitioning. Maybe next week end.

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#!/bin/sh
echo '#include <stdio.h>\nvoid main() { printf("Hi, bunsenlabs\\n"); return; }' > bunsen.c
gcc bunsen.c -o bunsen
./bunsen

hhh

Gaucho

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

Progress Report #2 broken keyboard (no ctrl, left shift or capslock

You can get a USB keyboard for twelve dollars.

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/accessor … ACphPachek

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micko01

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

^I've got a few keyboards, just not enough room!

Anyway, a teaser - and remember the Iconia is pretty low spec and I reckon it's doing a great job.

Bunsen Beakerland

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#!/bin/sh
echo '#include <stdio.h>\nvoid main() { printf("Hi, bunsenlabs\\n"); return; }' > bunsen.c
gcc bunsen.c -o bunsen
./bunsen

hhh

Gaucho

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

Okay, I just wanted to type out twelve, because what a freaking weird word. Twelve.

Twelve dozen is a gross. Some weird words right there. Dozen.

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micko01

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

Trixie updated to labwc-0.7.2 and drop shadows are now enabled.

Labwc dropshadows - video

Recorded on the HP laptop which is now my main bunsen dev machine - for now.

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#!/bin/sh
echo '#include <stdio.h>\nvoid main() { printf("Hi, bunsenlabs\\n"); return; }' > bunsen.c
gcc bunsen.c -o bunsen
./bunsen

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

Trixie updated to labwc-0.7.2 and drop shadows are now enabled.

Labwc dropshadows - video

Recorded on the HP laptop which is now my main bunsen dev machine - for now.

Top @micko01, nice vid !

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johnraff

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

Trixie updated to labwc-0.7.2 and drop shadows are now enabled.
Labwc dropshadows - video

Interesting take on drop-shadows! Looks good on that dark theme.

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micko01

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

^ yes kind of inverted shadows! The light is behind . Looks more pronounced, so good for a video.

This weekend I've spent leaning debian packaging, and as you probably well know a weekend barely scratches the surface!

I did manage to build and package labwc-menu-generator as well as some of my own yad scripts (scripts are dead easy).

Since labwc's native menu now supports pipe-menus the menu-generator should be a a second class replacement to jgmenu until @malm gets back to trappist (a wayland version of jgmenu for those uninformed). I may try and talk him into adding it to the labwc organisation, that way hopefully more coding eyes will catch a glimpse since labwc participation has grown almost exponentially since version 6.0.

As the weekend progressed I tried to package labwc-tweaks-gtk, which I have contributed a few lines of code in the past. Dismal fail, but I'll get there in a few more weekends. The repo is basically in 'maintenance mode' because @malm has began developing (and progressing well I might add) a the Qt version of labwc-tweaks. I have avoided Qt as much as possible as the dependencies, in my opinion, are huge. I do think it is a great toolkit, but bloat has always annoyed me, and I can see the benefits. Storage is cheap these days anyway. RAM is still expensive though. Any gtk programmers here? I may need some help with tweaks-gtk

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#!/bin/sh
echo '#include <stdio.h>\nvoid main() { printf("Hi, bunsenlabs\\n"); return; }' > bunsen.c
gcc bunsen.c -o bunsen
./bunsen

johnraff

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Re: Wayland and BunsenLabs

This weekend I've spent leaning debian packaging, and as you probably well know a weekend barely scratches the surface!

I did manage to build and package labwc-menu-generator as well as some of my own yad scripts (scripts are dead easy).

Is the package source code up somewhere? I'd be happy to take a look.

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