BunsenLabs Reviews

hhh · 2020-08-11 21:30:42

Blender is probably the biggest user of RAM of all programs available on the linux desktop, isn't it?

I built the first Hydrogen live-build images of BL on an Atom processor, slow-ass 8G SSD netbook running Debian jessie with 1G of RAM, they built in a little over an hour on that box. RAM was often maxed during the build, but live-build never crashed on me.

johnraff · 2020-08-11 23:24:30

hhh wrote:

Cinnamon uses 800MB or so at idle and 1.25G of RAM routinely with anything like Spotify or Firefox or GIMP open, but so what? It's solid, everything is snappy, programs open quickly, and it's pretty.
BunsenLabs is using, what, 500MB of RAM at idle after running awhile? That's totally reasonable for a 2G system, and manageable on a 1G computer.

I don't think BL would ever boot up to 500MB RAM on a system with 1GB. On my old 1GB laptops, with Helium I see just under 200MB, and Lithium around 280. I think it's like, the more memory you have, the more the kernel will allocate. Perfectly reasonable, but makes RAM-at-boot comparisons somewhat meaningless, unless they're all on the same machine. Anyway, as @hhh says, RAM is there to be used.

hhh wrote:

I built the first Hydrogen live-build images of BL on an Atom processor, slow-ass 8G SSD netbook running Debian jessie with 1G of RAM, they built in a little over an hour on that box. RAM was often maxed during the build, but live-build never crashed on me.

That's very impressive.

DeepDayze · 2020-08-12 00:07:19

hhh wrote:

Blender is probably the biggest user of RAM of all programs available on the linux desktop, isn't it?
I built the first Hydrogen live-build images of BL on an Atom processor, slow-ass 8G SSD netbook running Debian jessie with 1G of RAM, they built in a little over an hour on that box. RAM was often maxed during the build, but live-build never crashed on me.

Wowzers...impressive on such low end hardware. In my first forays into Linux back in the mid 90s I compiled my first kernel on an AMD 386DX/40 that had just a mere 4MB (not GB) RAM off of a 400MB hard disk. Compile took SIX HOURS!!!

ohnonot · 2020-08-12 06:00:03

eight.bit.al wrote:

Internet speeds - Mb Ram - MB
Internet is measured in Megabits so the number looks big.

Only on $PROPRIETARY_OS.
Not on Linux.
Every software on every Linux distro I ever used measured net speeds in B, not b.
Up to this day you get panicky newbies posting that their internet speed dropped to 1/8th of what it used to be since they started using Linux.

rbh · 2020-08-12 07:57:04

My first transportable computer was an Amstrad PPC 640, with an built in modem. The bandwith was measured in bits/s.
In the early usenet era, nodes was often connected with dial up modems. They used bitrate, not "bytrate", when they spoke of their bandwidth (also nix-nodes).

Still, most comon is bitrate.
Speedtest, measure default in bits. You can add flagg --bytes, if you want to use bytes...
Iperf3, use bits. When you measure, it says it has tranmsfered xx bytes at Bitrate xx bits/s

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deleted0 · 2020-08-12 12:26:23

ohnonot wrote:

Only on $PROPRIETARY_OS.
Not on Linux..

I was referring to those who sell bandwidth, at least here in Murica.

8bit

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unklar · 2020-08-12 12:51:54

eight.bit.al wrote:

^ Internet speeds - Mb Ram - MB
...

Well, when the Internet was discovered in Germany, large numbers circulated among the people, especially through the advertising industry.

I found this brilliant explanation in a forum:

kbit/s or kB/s
possible spellings:
'bps', 'b/s' = bits per second
'Bps', 'B/s' = bytes per second
'k', 'kb', 'kbs', 'kbps', 'kb/s' = kilobits per second
K', 'KB', 'KBs', 'KBps', 'KB/s' or 'k', 'kB', 'kBs', 'kBps', 'kB/s' = kilobytes per second
'm', 'mb', 'mbs', 'mbps', 'mb/s' = megabits per second
M', 'MB', 'MBs', 'MBps', 'MB/s' or 'm', 'mB', 'mBs', 'mBps', 'mB/s' = megabytes per second
or to put it another way:
bit is written in lower case for short (b)
Bytes are written in abbreviated capital letters (B)
...since a byte is known to consist of 8 bits, these are for the housewife to write down:
with DSL 6000 = 6000 kbit/s or 750 kB/s

They still write these 6000 today, because it is more impressive than 750, but they are among the last in the world, thanks to a government for which this is still "uncharted territory".

With the Conky, I got into the habit of writing downspeed and not downspeedf. Because this good guy himself makes the proper speed rating. This screenshot shows this very well.
So it changes e.g. KiB to MiB and vice versa, with respect to the present speed.

Ops, I got a little off-topic...

rbh · 2020-08-12 14:51:21

unklar wrote:

or to put it another way:
bit is written in lower case for short (b)
Bytes are written in abbreviated capital letters (B)

There is also big confusion about the prefixes. There is both binary and decimal prefixes. Nowadays binary prefixes should be written kibi (Ki), But is still often written K, as the deciaml prefix...

hhh · 2020-08-12 15:36:05

johnraff wrote:

hhh wrote:
I built the first Hydrogen live-build images of BL on an Atom processor, slow-ass 8G SSD netbook running Debian jessie with 1G of RAM, they built in a little over an hour on that box. RAM was often maxed during the build, but live-build never crashed on me.
That's very impressive.

That's weak hardware. Tim Gunn says "Make it work."

As I recall, I was quite angry during those early builds. Hmm.

hhh · 2020-08-12 15:44:59

Distrocrunch wrote:

I have to admit for someone not very intimate with the project, the release names are more difficult to appreciate than version numbers.

That is fabulous.

hhh · 2020-08-12 15:48:32

Aw hell yeah, my favorite redneck has checked us out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ0Bf-aJ_HE

hhh · 2020-08-12 15:58:16

Sorry to spam, this guy is hysterical. One highlight...

At about 2 minutes, talking about Helium/Jessie... "... I couldn't get the software I wanted to install because, you know... Debian."

That is one for @ohNoNot and bunsen-quotes.

Another one... "There's a brown one... there's another brown one."

cog · 2020-08-12 19:14:06

^ lmao

Sector11 · 2020-08-12 19:49:04

↑↑↑ agree wit cog

89990 files in Debian Buster ... and he says:

I couldn't get the software I wanted to install because, you know... Debian.

RIIIIIIIIGHT!

Guess wanted wanted: zzz-the-non-file

cog · 2020-08-19 07:18:06

Another one

https://fosspost.org/bunsenlabs-lithium/

hhh · 2020-08-19 23:58:43

Lot's of YouTube 'unboxing' vids are coming in, some well done and positive, some negative, and a lot of poorly done productions. Here's a good one, he's smart, linux savvy and he makes smart edits...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdAHQvwsm-o

hhh · 2020-08-26 02:51:27

Here's a quick one, he likes it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DEl1FIOV7Y

hhh · 2020-08-26 03:06:11

We also get a lot of international support. Here's a review from Indonesia. He might hate it, I can't understand a word of it. Kudos, though, for talking through the entire installation...

Link two posts down, I posted the wrong one.

A lakita continue.

PUT THE MOUSE DOWM! I'm getting dizzy.

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johnraff · 2020-08-26 05:17:24

^Can you fix that Indonesian url?
(I might be able at least to tell if he likes it or not.)

Interesting how even quite thorough and competent reviewers seem to dive straight into the "applications" submenu and spend most of their time there without checking out the more interesting things below.

rbh · 2020-08-26 08:37:49

johnraff wrote:

^Can you fix that Indonesian url?

I think it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8BGkF7_1o4

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