[OUTDATED]Please help us test the Helium alpha iso.

johnraff · 2018-03-02 11:14:41

Alpha 6 - Asian fonts, apt indices restored, hardware detection tool works, and https on all apt sources, both live and in the installed system:
https://archive.org/download/helium-alp … -amd64.iso
https://archive.org/download/helium-alp … ve.torrent

The installed sources.list could have been tweaked by a post-install script, but I wanted to co-operate with debian-installer if at all possible so people who'd done an expert install wouldn't have their work overwritten. The installer in fact has hard-coded http protocol for debian security (bug report) but eventually I took the advice of the last post and removed the standard security service, adding a custom repository for https://deb.debian.org/debian-security instead, which has worked OK.

The Hardware Detection Tool in the syslinux boot menu now works well, but there's no way back to the boot menu. "Reboot" and "Exit" are the only options. Yes, rebooting does get back to the menu, but it feels clumsy, while "exit" drops you at a boot: prompt, with no hint of what might be an acceptable command, and a hard poweroff the only way out.

vinzv · 2018-03-02 13:15:33

As archive.org was quite slow for me I decided to put up a mirror. 1Gbps, located in DE, hope that helps:
https://mirror.vinzv.space/bunsenlabs/helium/alpha/

@johnraff: Maybe adding md5sums to the downloads would be good. I don't expect people to trust me like they trust you.

iMBeCil · 2018-03-02 14:57:26

Alpha6 ... tried in VBox. Installed almost all possible software.

Everything went well, thanks a lot to devs for the nice alpha. (Why alpha? It seems ready for production.) Definitely, something to recommend to friends.

Will try later on bare metal.

Big big big kudos for "BunsenLabs TTY" GRUB options! If I will ever use BL again, it will be my default choice! (Yes, I don't like login(?) managers ...)

Personal opinion: as much as it works, this green colour is stab in my eye ... too bad the BL deviated from the old #! design 8.( But, this is just my personal preference, don't take it too seriously, or even serious at all

Once more, big congratulation to the dev team! {) {)

iMBeCil · 2018-03-02 15:03:31

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

EDIT: I would be happy to investigate adding native Xen support to BL, if there was any interest

Why xen? Go for kvm, since this is endorsed by RedHat.

PS. I have a server on debian jessie + xen, and it works nicely (domUs: 2xFreeBSD - apache and mariadb, 2xDebian - cups and git). The network is somewhat involved until you get the grip, i.e. get the right iptools arguments.

I wish I went the kvm route, since it seems to be a bit more actively developed - as I mention RedHat took the kvm as the virtualization solution (over xen).

unklar · 2018-03-02 15:56:32

johnraff wrote:

EDIT: But they do provide a direct download url, along with a torrent which works.
32bit iso alpha-5-i386:
https://archive.org/download/helium-alp … 5-i386.iso
https://archive.org/download/helium-alp … ve.torrent
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f_wmqp … sp=sharing
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Unfortunately, is that
pae, what's not written here.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2018-03-02 19:34:48

iMBeCil wrote:

Personal opinion: as much as it works, this green colour is stab in my eye ... too bad the BL deviated from the old #! design

Have you tried the BLOB configurator?

It has some options for more traditional desktops and I will probably try to add a "Helium Grey" version because I'm a big fan of monochrome themes.

iMBeCil wrote:

Why xen? Go for kvm

Been there, done that:

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=1546

Nothing much to do for KVM anyway, BunsenLabs will work very nicely OOTB.

@vinzv: thanks for the mirror!

topdollar · 2018-03-02 19:59:25

Very sweet install on VMware workstation pro, no issues to report yet, thank you for removing the caps lock disabled by default, that was always one of the first things I had to resolve when doing previous installs :-) I usually set up my passwords with multiple combinations and I always forgot about that and then I couldn't login during the BL-Welcome script.

Cheers!

Döbbie03 · 2018-03-02 22:37:48

johnraff wrote:

*)under the top item in the graphics and multimedia menus divides off a section that more things will be added to if the user installs something from the "install" sub-menu.

Was my thinking too.

Installing now to an HDD. I'll give this a solid test over the rest of the weekend.

jesito · 2018-03-02 23:49:22

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

jesito wrote:
What do you want me to try?
Just use it like you would a normal desktop and report on anything untoward, thanks!
jesito wrote:
I started Synaptic and found a very few apps there
Yes, sorry, that's my fault — I suggested that the image be shipped without a package database to save space but that will not be the case for future images.
To get your package list back run:
sudo apt update
jesito wrote:
Would it be possible to replace Thunar by Caja?
This should do it:
sudo apt install caja
sudo update-alternatives --set bl-file-manager $(which caja)
I think Caja is one of the alternatives so it should automatically take the place of thunar for any "file manager" operations

Installed on my barebone (2Gb mem, 160Gb hdisk, Pentium-R dual CPU E2180, 2.00Ghz). Works like a charm, not any single trouble installing it. BL-welcome took care of updating the package database, and caja is running after linking the alternative in the way you told me. (BTW I used apt-get instead of apt).

Now the system is running fine, all the apps show up under synaptic and now I'm installing my usual toolset.

Kind regards, and thanks for such a nice envirorment.

johnraff · 2018-03-03 01:42:51

vinzv wrote:

As archive.org was quite slow for me I decided to put up a mirror. 1Gbps, located in DE, hope that helps:
https://mirror.vinzv.space/bunsenlabs/helium/alpha/
@johnraff: Maybe adding md5sums to the downloads would be good. I don't expect people to trust me like they trust you.

Many thanks for the mirror!

Here are the md5 sums (also added to the OP):

alpha5-i386
298c8d5b34a7dbb502b4388e2389f524

alpha6
6dcb91986f4101c318adad07ece0ed6b

If archive.org is very slow, I could also put the files on Google drive, as before?

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iMBeCil wrote:

Why alpha? It seems ready for production.

Mainly because the BL official apt repos have not yet been set up.

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unklar wrote:

Unfortunately, is that pae, what's not written here.

Yes the 32bit iso is PAE. The CD-sized iso, intended for older machines, will have a non-PAE 32bit kernel, though. Users who install from a CDROM but want PAE can easily upgrade via the welcome script.

CD iso coming soon!

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Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Have you tried the BLOB configurator?
It has some options for more traditional desktops and I will probably try to add a "Helium Grey" version because I'm a big fan of monochrome themes.

There is already a "BunsenLabs_Grey" which is meant to be that very thing. If you prefer the grey "velvet noise" background to a monochrome "beam" wallpaper there is "Crunchbang" too, which uses the Faenza icons (have to be installed though).

Head_on_a_Stick · 2018-03-03 01:52:21

johnraff wrote:

If archive.org is very slow, I could also put the files on Google drive, as before?

That would be my preference — rtorrent is apparently not accepted by archive.org and their servers are very slow for me (UK).

johnraff wrote:

There is already a "BunsenLabs_Grey" which is meant to be that very thing.

Ah yes, of course, I should have checked properly before posting that 8)

I've just tested the alpha6 ISO, I removed all my boot hacks (there were several) but it still just blasted through the GRUB stage without so much as a by your leave, dumped the files on the ESP and added an NVRAM boot entry.

I can't tell if the installer attempted to re-order the entries because my laptop's UEFI is completely broken and on reboot it would only start Win10 unless the firmware boot menu was used (as before), this is completely normal for this machine.

The good news is that BunsenLabs found my Windows .efi loader and made a boot entry for it so that all seems to work, I think my problems are because my UEFI implementation is so crappy.

johnraff · 2018-03-03 02:04:58

^archive.org's torrent link worked fine for me with transmission.
Anyway Google do not offer torrent links at all (do they?), but in future (not so many more I guess) I'll just upload to both.

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I haven't got any EFI machines to rest on, but I'll try installing to an EFI VM and see what happens at the grub stage.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2018-03-03 02:11:46

johnraff wrote:

archive.org's torrent link worked fine for me with transmission.

I get this message from rtorrent:

Tracker: [Failure reason "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker."]

johnraff wrote:

Anyway Google do not offer torrent links at all (do they?)

No but I'm sure the big G can spare the bandwidth 8)

johnraff · 2018-03-03 02:15:41

(I wonder what rtorrent's done to annoy archive.org?)

7im4pple · 2018-03-03 04:17:16

Will give it a go in the morning..

Cheers!
Tim

dbvolvox · 2018-03-03 11:43:57

Downloaded helium-alpha4-amd64.iso and dd to a usb stick. Ran live sessions on HP255 G4 laptop a 2015 quad core 1.2MHz; HP14 laptop a 2017 dual core i5 3.1 Mhz and an old desktop a 2007 AMD 64 dual core 2.4Mhz. No problems so did full install on the desktop which went smoothly.

Minor niggles. LibreOffice doesn't work across local network unless I install libreoffice-gnome which is not a big problem if one knows that it is needed for GIO support. Should this package be included with menu item 'install full LO'?
The printer support couldn't find a driver for my Lexmark laser so had to download PPD.

Wallpaper -currently BL-beam-grey (bit traditional I know) I do like the idea of the emission-grey but it needs to be Helium not Hydrogen (and the spectrum shown is the absorption not the emission!)

So, in terms of general email/documents/photos user it looks ready to go.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2018-03-03 12:01:58

dbvolvox wrote:

the spectrum shown is the absorption not the emission!

I am so sorry about that, I don't know how I missed such an egregious error :8

We will have to change the names to absorption-{blue,green,grey}.png, I think.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2018-03-03 13:50:06

Update: the Debian stretch (netinstall) ISO image also skips through the UEFI bootloader section without asking, this appears to be the expected behaviour

In fairness to Debian multiple UEFI loaders are pretty simple to manage via the firmware options (and `efibootmgr`, if it works) so this isn't as big a problem as would first appear.

tknomanzr · 2018-03-03 18:07:07

This phpmyadmin dialog looks hideous.
We are going to need to tweak the palette somewhat. For now, I put back the previous CrunchBang/Hydrogen palette, and have already uploaded a fixed bunsen-configs (9.3.7-1) with that. I thought it was somewhat urgent, considering those dialogue boxes (for example, try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales') were almost unreadable. The #! palette doesn't affect the basic appearance - text, background, etc - but has made the prompt that nasty lime green again
If you can come up with something a bit more civilized while keeping the boxes readable, that would be great!

Progress Indicators:
Next Version. Cool. I'll try to put a note somewhere or drop an issue on github as a reminder.

Terminator Config:
I worked up a config that hopefully fixes the issues with ncurses dialogs. NOTE: I have not translated this for urxvt yet. The default font is a bit small for me but that's ok. I prefer Noto Mono 11 for readability with my old eyes. Here is a screenshot and the config.

[global_config]
  dbus = False
  title_font = Monospace 11
  title_inactive_bg_color = "#2e3436"
  title_inactive_fg_color = "#888a85"
  title_receive_bg_color = "#2e3436"
  title_transmit_bg_color = "#2e3436"
  title_transmit_fg_color = "#6daaaa"
  title_use_system_font = False
[keybindings]
  hide_window = <Shift><Control>a
[layouts]
  [[default]]
    [[[child1]]]
      parent = window0
      type = Terminal
    [[[window0]]]
      parent = ""
      size = 680, 535
      type = Window
[plugins]
[profiles]
  [[default]]
    background_color = "#082b4a"
    background_darkness = 0.9
    background_type = transparent
    cursor_color = "#6ab3b3"
    cursor_color_fg = False
    font = Monospace 10
    foreground_color = "#add8e6"
    palette = "#555753:#a40000:#729fcf:#d9c964:#204a87:#9a64d9:#64d9d5:#d3d7cf:#babdb6:#d98f93:#13b9b9:#d9cf8f:#8f99d9:#b08fd9:#8fd9d5:#c5c5c5"
    scrollback_infinite = True
    scrollback_lines = 5000
    scrollbar_position = hidden
    show_titlebar = False
    use_system_font = False
  [[Hydrogen]]
    background_color = "#2e3436"
    background_darkness = 0.83
    background_type = transparent
    color_scheme = custom
    cursor_color = "#d8d8d8"
    font = Monospace 10
    foreground_color = "#d8d8d8"
    palette = "#000000:#cc0000:#4e9a06:#c4a000:#3465a4:#75507b:#06989a:#d3d7cf:#555753:#ef2929:#8ae234:#fce94f:#729fcf:#ad7fa8:#34e2e2:#eeeeec"
    scrollback_infinite = True
    scrollback_lines = 5000
    scrollbar_position = hidden
    show_titlebar = False
    use_system_font = False

jesito · 2018-03-03 22:40:38

After the first update/upgrade: I notice a warning regarding CRYPTSETUP, proably you are already aware of it...

jesito@3Dprint:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages will be upgraded:
  linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 linux-libc-dev
2 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 40.3 MB of archives.
After this operation, 4,096 B of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 
Get:1 [url]http://security.debian.org/debian-security[/url] stretch/updates/main amd64 linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 amd64 4.9.82-1+deb9u3 [39.0 MB]
Get:2 [url]http://security.debian.org/debian-security[/url] stretch/updates/main amd64 linux-libc-dev amd64 4.9.82-1+deb9u3 [1,320 kB]
Fetched 40.3 MB in 1min 16s (526 kB/s)                                                        
(Reading database ... 126157 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64_4.9.82-1+deb9u3_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 (4.9.82-1+deb9u3) over (4.9.82-1+deb9u2) ...
Preparing to unpack .../linux-libc-dev_4.9.82-1+deb9u3_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking linux-libc-dev:amd64 (4.9.82-1+deb9u3) over (4.9.82-1+deb9u2) ...
Setting up linux-libc-dev:amd64 (4.9.82-1+deb9u3) ...
Setting up linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 (4.9.82-1+deb9u3) ...
/etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools:
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-6-amd64
WARNING: Setting CRYPTSETUP in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf is deprecated and will stop working in the future. Use /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook instead.
/etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub:
Generating grub configuration file ...
Found background image: /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-6-amd64
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-6-amd64
Generating custom entry for: /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-6-amd64
initrd image OK: /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-6-amd64
grub background_image is BL default, setting text colors
done

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