Potential Terminator config for Helium-dev

brontosaurusrex · 2018-02-07 08:34:20

my quick try

[global_config]
  dbus = False
  title_inactive_bg_color = "#000000"
  title_transmit_bg_color = "#000000"
[keybindings]
  hide_window = <Shift><Control>a
[layouts]
  [[default]]
    [[[child1]]]
      parent = window0
      type = Terminal
    [[[window0]]]
      parent = ""
      size = 680, 540
      type = Window
[plugins]
[profiles]
  [[default]]
    allow_bold = False
    background_color = "#074e4e"
    background_darkness = 0.9
    background_type = transparent
    color_scheme = custom
    cursor_blink = False
    cursor_color = "#d8d8d8"
    font = Source Code Pro Medium 11
    foreground_color = "#7affff"
    palette = "#000000:#cc0000:#4e9a06:#c4a000:#3465a4:#75507b:#06989a:#f3f3f3:#555753:#ef2929:#8ae234:#fce94f:#729fcf:#ad7fa8:#34e2e2:#f3f3f3"
    scrollback_infinite = True
    scrollback_lines = 5000
    scrollbar_position = hidden
    show_titlebar = False
    use_system_font = False

martix · 2018-02-07 08:58:54

^I tried those and #c0e0e0 looks here better than #a0e0e0 and #d8d8d8 better than #c0c0c0.

Having those better ones side by side the greenish is a bit unusual but it looks ok. #d8d8d8 is more familiar and relaxing. Personally I'd prefer the second one but both look good to me, I like that greenish one too.

Last edited by martix (2018-02-07 09:05:19)

tknomanzr · 2018-02-07 17:09:43

I still find the cyan to be easiest for me to read. It's a bifocal problem. I either have to be really close and use the lower lenses or at least 2 feet back. When that far back I need more brightness for fonts on a dark background.

However, I feel like #c0e0e0 is a really great compromise, plus it looks good from further back on my desktop. Truthfully I would up the opacity up even more to about 80% though. The greatest thing about this theme, in my opinion, is the fact that it looks good even with compositing disabled.

This is text color #c0e0e0 at 65% opacity layered over geany. Note, geany is using a dark theme for the editor but the bottom part is still white.

80% gives the gray and the blue a bit more pop and tones down whatever is going on behind the terminal a bit more:

I think what concerns me more is the entries in the screenshot below for Public (which is mounted), .steampath, and then at the bottom, the entry for tmp. I am using the Tango palette, but it appears to need some modification.

johnraff · 2018-02-08 05:04:20

If #c0e0e0 is still too blue for some people, #c8e0e0 is a bit more neutral. It's very close to d8d8d8 - the red is down 16 and the blue and green up 8 each. With tk's suggested 80% opacity I found it very readable, but still slightly nicer looking than the grey d8d8d8.

What do people who use transparent terminals actually use them for? I mean, what would be the criterion as to what degree of opacity is right?

@tk what is it that concerns you about your third screenshot?

johnraff · 2018-02-08 05:28:45

btw that puke-green prompt colour is coming from ~/.bashrc
Even with '#force_color_prompt=yes', ie commented-out, terminator still evaluates the colours in the following section, ie

PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$ '

urxvt respects the setting of $force_color_prompt though.

If we wanted to change it I guess we'd have to ship a custom .bashrc, unless there's some other way to make terminator behave.
(Terminator seems to be ignoring most tput commands too, apart from 'tput clear'.)

Colour codes here btw: https://ubuntugenius.wordpress.com/2011 … -terminal/

Last edited by johnraff (2018-02-08 05:41:56)

johnraff · 2018-02-08 06:38:03

BTW there is still residual config for xfce4-terminal in our config directory - bring it in sync with terminator, or just delete it?

Head_on_a_Stick · 2018-02-08 07:52:45

johnraff wrote:

#c8e0e0

Yes, I like that one, it's very subtle.

johnraff wrote:

What do people who use transparent terminals actually use them for? I mean, what would be the criterion as to what degree of opacity is right?

It needs to look cool but still be readable, I usually set it to ~85-90%, depending on the background colours.

I vote to scrap the xfce4-terminal configuration, we already have urxvt (configuration) as a lighter alternative.

martix · 2018-02-08 09:08:55

^That color looks good, a bit darker but easy to read.

tknomanzr · 2018-02-08 18:08:27

^ Ok. So we're dealing with two separate things there. Moving back to the terminator profile, I went to terminal.sexy and played around for awhile this morning. I started off with a gutterslob scheme and modified it. We could probably use this to tune in the settings. terminal.sexy can generate color entries for a terminator profile when you choose export. In order to test, copy/paste the config into ~/.config/terminator/config. I just mention this because for fine tuning the palette it was necessary for me to copy the palette entries into that file, then re-open the preferences dialog and close it to get terminator to refresh its palette.

terminator config

[global_config]
  dbus = False
  title_inactive_bg_color = "#707172"
  title_inactive_fg_color = "#c0e0e0"
  title_transmit_bg_color = "#515151"
  title_transmit_fg_color = "#c0e0e0"
[keybindings]
  hide_window = <Shift><Control>a
[layouts]
  [[default]]
    [[[child1]]]
      parent = window0
      type = Terminal
    [[[window0]]]
      parent = ""
      size = 680, 540
      type = Window
[plugins]
[profiles]
  [[default]]
    background_color = "#053030"
    background_darkness = 0.8
    background_type = transparent
    color_scheme = custom
    cursor_color = "#c0e0e0"
    font = Monospace 10
    foreground_color = "#c8e0e0"
     palette = "#515151:#0b220f:#65a446:#ad8a43:#6bc29f:#9e6bb8:#67a682:#919191:#707172:#74a159:#8ba97c:#d4c3a0:#448e5b:#d2b1e2:#a4d0c1:#d0d0d0"
    scrollback_infinite = True
    scrollback_lines = 5000
    scrollbar_position = hidden
    show_titlebar = False
    use_system_font = False

^ Terminator does have its issues, especially when trying to manipulate it programmatically. terminal.sexy also has the ability to generate .Xresources entries. At any rate, I am really just posting this to start a reference point for the conversation. Id really like to hear someone else's opinion on this, though.

johnraff · 2018-02-09 05:15:08

^That's fixed the nasty green prompt! It must have been the palette.
In fact I'd be OK with that conf file.
For me, the font is too small and I wind it up to 12, but that's always the case and I'm sure 10 would be good for most people.

Cursor colour: by default terminator uses the foreground colour. To use a different colour from foreground you need the line

cursor_color_fg = False

in config, along with the cursor_color setting. That line is added if you open Profiles>General and click the Colour: button away from "foreground" under "Cursor".

Out of interest, I tried upping the foreground_color brightness 16 more to #d8f0f0. Too bright now? #d0e8e8? It would be nice to know we've hit the exact sweet spot.

---
Also tried replacing the d8d8d8 font colours in tint2 with d8f0f0, and ID 7 - tooltip's background_color to #053030 so tooltips match the terminal. Hmm...

martix · 2018-02-09 11:27:32

^It's the same for me with the font size. What about having at least 11 on default? Any downside of it?

Regarding the last stage of the color scheme could you please post the whole config file?

There are many details to change and it'd be easier to any user to give it a try.

tknomanzr · 2018-02-09 19:28:02

^ In retrospect, I felt like that scheme was too green, meaning all of the green needed more blue in it. After working on it more this morning, I came up with this:

[global_config]
  title_transmit_fg_color = "#c0e0e0"
  title_transmit_bg_color = "#515151"
  title_inactive_fg_color = "#c0e0e0"
  title_inactive_bg_color = "#707172"

[profiles]
  [[default]]
	palette = "#515151:#10b8b8:#0f8b8b:#4398ad:#0e191a:#6bb8b1:#67a6a1:#44b1aa:#707172:#129f9f:#8de1d6:#a0bcd4:#6eb7d5:#b1e1e2:#a4d0c1:#469393"
    background_color = "#064141"
    background_darkness = 0.8
    background_type = transparent
    color_scheme = custom
    cursor_color = "#c0e0e0"
    cursor_color_fg = False
	foreground_color = "#d8f0f0"
	scrollback_infinite = True
    scrollback_lines = 5000
    scrollbar_position = hidden
    show_titlebar = False
    use_system_font = True
[layouts]
  [[default]]
    [[[child1]]]
      type = Terminal
      parent = window0
      profile = default
    [[[window0]]]
      type = Window
      parent = ""
[plugins]

I personally like this iteration about the best so far. NOTE: I upped the basic font brightness up to #d8f0f0 as suggested. Because I reduced the transparency on the terminal window, it caused the color to darken somewhat to an almost forest green, so I brought it back down some to 064141. The screenshot below should show the terminal in various contexts: directory listings, MOC music player, two log files being tailed.

MOC Music Player

Directory Listings

Journalctl -xf

Head_on_a_Stick · 2018-02-09 22:25:27

The palette seems slightly restricted for my tastes.

I like to use htop & screenfetch to test:

I have to say that my preference would be for a more neutral terminal colour scheme that could be used with themes other than Beam.

I would personally vote for keeping the Deuterium colours because they seem to work just fine with the Beam desktop.

johnraff · 2018-02-10 02:48:27

@tk why is the background so much darker in the last shot (Journalctl -xf)?

To be honest, the first three all look a bit too coloured to me. Very dark green (blackboard?) background with just slightly cyan off-white text is what I'd prefer, I think.

EDIT looking again, had to agree with @tknomanzr that the background is too green, compared with the beam wallpaper. Went to the darkest zone with a colour picker and got #120417. With opacity up to 0.85, looked like this:

Going back to Deuterium non-colours as HoaS prefers is an option we should perhaps also keep in mind, though it's not very interesting...

Any other opinions?

Last edited by johnraff (2018-02-10 07:58:50)

brontosaurusrex · 2018-02-10 09:24:08

Replacing terminator with tilix?
https://cdn.scrot.moe/images/2017/08/03/tilix.png
Even more offtopic: Possibly interesting mono-spaced font https://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/M-1m

Last edited by brontosaurusrex (2018-02-10 13:25:20)

Head_on_a_Stick · 2018-02-10 15:53:59

brontosaurusrex wrote:

Replacing terminator with tilix?

No!

martix · 2018-02-10 16:15:34

@bronto I guess for tilix questions (or any other terminal related) it'd be better time after the release to discuss. I think though that this thread might deserve to move it form the "going nowhere" section as there are useful info in it (and tilix is great). And it just came to my mind that the menu is on "super", so it'd be even possible to put the terminal on "super+space" (or something else). Actually as a big change in the future it could be considered to put tilix or terminator as a drop down terminal on "super+space" (or F12. Or: "super+space" on desktop and F12 drop down). But it's just a vague idea, maybe no one likes drop down terminals here.

@johnraff That dark background looks definitely better here than the former ones. The font color makes also a different impression now, more "cyanish" (terminal is a bit shiny cyanish, conky is darker greenish). I think on the screenshot it is not as cyanish as it is actually, but not much difference.

Last edited by martix (2018-02-10 16:17:07)

johnraff · 2018-02-11 02:11:45

The topic of BL's default terminal, text editor etc, keeps coming up, and keeps rehashing, mostly, the same things, so gets grumpily moved to TGN by mods who would rather talk about something else.
It's extremely easy to replace terminator with something else, set x-terminal-emulator accordingly, and carry on...

Of course, OTOH, sharing news about favourite applications and how to configure them is welcome material for new topics.
This is probably the best way to start the ball rolling for a default app shift (or any other BL paradigm shift for that matter). If a lot of forum members try eg tilix and post back with their positive experiences and suggested configs then at some point in the future it might look like a good switch.

Anyway, this thread is about default configuration for our current default terminal, terminator. (We'll probably add config in ~/.Xdefaults for the popular second choice urxvt to match.)

johnraff · 2018-02-11 02:18:09

martix wrote:

...the menu is on "super", so it'd be even possible to put the terminal on "super+space" (or something else).

What's wrong with the current "Super+T"?

@johnraff That dark background looks definitely better here than the former ones. The font color makes also a different impression now, more "cyanish" (terminal is a bit shiny cyanish, conky is darker greenish). I think on the screenshot it is not as cyanish as it is actually, but not much difference.

I think different peoples' displays (and eyes) handle these thing differently, so this kind of feedback is important. We have to try and find settings that will look good for as many people as possible, and annoy as few as possible.

martix · 2018-02-11 02:25:02

^Not that there is something wrong with super+t, just having super for menu now makes super+space available for something else.

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