FF-ESR 45.9.0 Crashing ... [waiting for the next one]

johnraff · 2017-05-26 07:00:31

BLizgreat! wrote:

^ Looks like there's a newer version for Jessie there, esr-52 ?

Maybe in debian.mozilla, but the regular Debian Jessie repos now have firefox-esr 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1

BLizgreat! · 2017-05-26 07:07:55

It's in the jessie-backports now apparently.

You need to add the following entry in /etc/apt/sources.list or a new file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/:
deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-esr
You can install it with the following commands:
$ apt-get update
$ apt-get install -t jessie-backports firefox-esr

On that website, if someone selects Esr under version, that's what it says above. I don't have anything Jessie installed, nor it's backports obviously, so cannot 100% confirm. Sighs, in the above it says FF v 52-esr is avail in Jessie backports.

Sorry, hinging on way off topic: Am sure someone could get latest/current version of Firefox fiddling with sources but who da heck and why da heck should a nixer have to add and pin the experimental repos, just to get latest current FF ? Ok am shutting it. If someone changes the release to testing on that site and version to release, it says the below. For lack of more eloquent words ... Screw that.

Sighs, in the below, it says the release ( which I assume means current release FF v 53.0.3) is avail in the experimental repos. I should've been more clear while typing this stupe post out eh.

You need to add the following entry in /etc/apt/sources.list or a new file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/:
deb http://http.debian.net/debian experimental main
You can install it with the following commands:
$ apt-get update
$ apt-get install -t experimental firefox

Last edited by BLizgreat! (2017-05-26 08:36:11)

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-05-26 07:41:40

BLizgreat! wrote:

Firefox-ESR 45.9.0 ? Why ?

Because that is the version in the Debian stable repositories so it should be the one that works best. Unfortunately this does not seem to be the case.

That particular version is a Debian patch applied on the old firefox-esr — Mozilla have moved to 52 for their esr and that is the version in Debian experimantal; I am using esr 52 in my stretch-based system with no problems.

Hopefully Debian will move esr 52 to stretch at some point but until then it would be great if the affected parties could perhaps submit a bug report, preferably with a backtrace, to help Debian fix this.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-05-26 07:45:47

BLizgreat! wrote:

You need to add the following entry in /etc/apt/sources.list or a new file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/:
deb http://http.debian.net/debian experimental main
You can install it with the following commands:
$ apt-get update
$ apt-get install -t experimental firefox

Although I am using that method in stretch (albeit with firefox-esr), I do not recommend using those repositories in a jessie-based system such as BunsenLabs (Hydrogen).

BLizgreat! · 2017-05-26 08:18:52

^ +1 meant to double back and add a "DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK" just in case some newish type nixers saw this thread and went buckwild, shrugs. According to the website I linked. It's saying FF 52-esr is available in the jessie-backports.

So by this point a)We're dragging Sector's support thread off into the abyss and b)I'm thoroughly confused as to which FF version is available in what repo ! Errrr .. as mentioned I don't have overmuch reason to care, I have FF v 53.0.3 on Stretch and it's giving me zero probs.

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BLizgreat! · 2017-05-26 09:50:52

Added Jessie backports to Stretch and experimental and nopers. Per usual Hoas is correcto ( Wait a sec ! See below ) The dang site said something else ! Firefox 52-esr is in experimental. So is Firefox 53 too !

apt-cache policy firefox
firefox:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 53.0.is.53.0-1
Version table:
53.0.is.53.0-1 1
1 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian experimental/main amd64 Packages

Though sure Hoas knew that already too. Am starting to get really irritated with Debian about this topic. If that output is right even in experimental it's only FF v 53.0.1 ? The last FF update .3 was no doubt a fricken security patch for Firefox, as .2 probably was as well. Thought that's pretty much always the case with Firefox, the patches they release between versions tend to be plugging security holes found in the browser or whatever.

So Debian users, even if they're using experimental repo's are left with two security patches not supplied ?!?!?! That's screwed imo ! Sighs, yet another reason I like the way I've been doing it. I've got the latest .3 here. People can see what issues those patches address here.

Dang it ... sorry Sector, if any Mods want to delete or move this thread, by all means. I've got a general anything goes FF thread which could be appropriate ?

Last edited by BLizgreat! (2017-05-26 13:17:34)

BLizgreat! · 2017-05-26 12:52:20

Nope FF v 52-esr is available via backports in Jessie. You have to add the repo on that website. I'd just added the one for the reg jessie-backports, not the one maintained for Mozilla.

deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-esr

Added it and checked ...

apt-cache policy firefox-esr
firefox-esr:
Installed: 45.9.0esr-1
Candidate: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1
Version table:
52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1 500
500 http://mozilla.debian.net jessie-backports/firefox-esr amd64 Packages
*** 45.9.0esr-1 500
500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

Ok ... done and sorry again Sector. Hey, maybe try upgrading to v 52-esr ? Though again if your problem is a bad extension/plugin, not so much sure that'd cure your issues. The whole new profile thing is certainly worth a shot. So HA ! This may not be off-topicness afterall !

Last edited by BLizgreat! (2017-05-26 12:58:44)

BLizgreat! · 2017-05-26 14:39:53

This is relevant too. Believe Mozilla is planning changes that will make the old API's extension developers use quit working. See stuff like this. Seems some extensions are unlikely to be migrated over too. Depends on the dev/maintainer for xyz-extension and from a very limited understanding extensions aren't going to have the same level of integration with Firefox (thus may not work as well) as they presently do in the future.

Long babbling way of saying, dunno. As newer versions of FF come out, peeps may run into more and more extension related issues. Just have a very basic understanding of this whole Webextensions thing atm though. Assuming many of the more popular ones will be migrated over.

Guess someone can always hit up the Firefox archive and run an older version of Firefox + their most beloved extensions in all their glory for as long as possible. Used to be able to run some pretty old versions of Firefox on Debian stable (Statler at the time me thinks) am sure newer versions of Firefox will remain usable for quite some time.

Though would also download and keep copies of whichever extensions you like the most. Who knows exactly what Mozilla is going to wind up doing with the FF extensions site or if the devs associated with them are going to bother converting over to the web-extensions thingy.

Had to check, yep, still works. Am typing this post on FF v 10 from the archives. Set up a new profile for it and seems to work just fine. Sucker is fairly fast too and "free -m" says, 276mbs in use.

Have this forum and the LM forum open and don't even have noscript on this sucker + no tweaks either. Errrrr ... what's my point. Honestly not sure overall but won't be a bit surprised if people's FF extensions start causing them more + more butt pains fairly soon.

Pointless update, getting rid of FF10, opened like 8 webpgs, sucker was using over 500mbs and started tagging the cpu pretty good too. Though if someone were going to run an older Firefox version from the archive, they wouldn't go with v 10 anyway. Shrugs ... just wanted to see how it'd do.

Last edited by BLizgreat! (2017-05-26 14:58:42)

Sector11 · 2017-05-26 21:15:37

I'm like John, going to stick with what BL (Debian) has available for us.

   $ firefox-esr -v
Mozilla Firefox 45.9.0

with opening it up for "crash reports" as HoaS pointed out, it has not crashed since.

And it does what we, S12 and I, want.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-05-26 22:32:02

BLizgreat! wrote:

FF v 52-esr is available via backports in Jessie

No, it isn't.

https://packages.debian.org/search?keyw … ection=all

Mozilla jessie-backports != Debian jessie-backports

BLizgreat! · 2017-05-27 17:23:42

It is in this one, they're clearly designated as jessie-backports.

deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-esr

apt-cache policy firefox-esr
firefox-esr:
Installed: 45.9.0esr-1
Candidate: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1
Version table:
52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1 500
500 http://mozilla.debian.net jessie-backports/firefox-esr amd64 Packages

That's showing Firefox 52-esr available for folks using Jessie. Though this is xyz-nixers preference as to whether/which they elect to have installed. Haven't read the release notes for either the v 45 or 52-esr versions of Firefox, so couldn't say if anything significant or worth while was implemented in them between versions anyway. I prefer having the latest Firefox and doing so has never given me the slightest problems on anything Debian stable.

Statler > Squeeze > Plenty of Sid > Wheezy > Jessie and now Stretch.

After-thought: Screw it, am going to add that repo and install 52-esr. Why not ? Won't hurt anything. Seems can't on Stretch, unmet dependencies folks. Though again, add that dang repo and you shoud be good to go on Jessie or Hydrogen for FF v 52-esr. If ye so desire it.

Could get it and run it from the Mozilla archive but errrr why ? When 53.0.3 is working fine, shrugs.

Last edited by BLizgreat! (2017-05-27 19:33:49)

Sector11 · 2017-05-27 19:25:16

HUH?

 27 May 17 @ 16:21:36 ~
   $ apt-cache policy firefox-esr
firefox-esr:
  Installed: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1
  Candidate: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1
  Version table:
 *** 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1 0
        500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
        500 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 
 27 May 17 @ 16:22:46 ~
   $

BLizgreat! · 2017-05-27 19:28:07

Have to add this sucker to sources and update the package cache .. and install it with the "sudo apt-get install -t jessie-backports firefox-esr".

deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-esr

Then ... PROFIT !

Last edited by BLizgreat! (2017-05-27 19:29:38)

Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-05-27 19:31:53

^ Be aware that adding foreign repositories may cause difficulties, especially if an upgrade to a newer release is attempted.

BLizgreat! · 2017-05-27 19:37:42

^ Dunno why there'd be any issues, it's a Mozilla backport maintained for Jessie, shrugs and am going to assume improvements were made between FF v 45 and 52 though don't quote me on that, as it isn't set in stone. This whole holding on dearly to outdated browser versions thing has me scratching my head overall. Why folks wouldn't want/run latest version of a browser dunno.

Mentioned ... have been doing it since a couple wks after finding/installing #! Statler and have continued the practice on everything Debian stable and more than a tad of Sid and mixed installs w/o the slightest problem.

johnraff · 2017-05-28 02:16:33

BLizgreat! wrote:

they're clearly designated as jessie-backports.
deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-esr
apt-cache policy firefox-esr
firefox-esr:
Installed: 45.9.0esr-1
Candidate: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1
Version table:
52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1 500
500 http://mozilla.debian.net jessie-backports/firefox-esr amd64 Packages
That's showing Firefox 52-esr available for folks using Jessie.

HoaS is right (as usual ). Just because the distribution is shown as jessie-backports doesn't mean the packages come from Debian. BunsenLabs also provide some backports marked jessie-backports. It just means they're backports that can be used on Jessie...

...in fact it doesn't even mean that - it's just a name.

As to updating Firefox at all costs, I used to be all for grabbing the latest version every time, but these days Fx upgrades usually bring some change I detest, and require me to search out yet another addon to get back to something like where it was before. Security fixes, fine, but Debian are pretty good at pushing those to the packages in Stable, even if they're old versions.

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DeepDayze · 2017-05-28 02:23:10

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

BLizgreat! wrote:
You need to add the following entry in /etc/apt/sources.list or a new file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/:
deb http://http.debian.net/debian experimental main
You can install it with the following commands:
$ apt-get update
$ apt-get install -t experimental firefox
Although I am using that method in stretch (albeit with firefox-esr), I do not recommend using those repositories in a jessie-based system such as BunsenLabs (Hydrogen).

That is true as I know it is a no no to pull experimental packages onto a stable system (can break a lot of things if you are careless), but for a simple case like firefox-esr where there are not a terrible lot of dependencies that break a stable system you can just temporarily enable experimental to pull that one package set then disable the experimental repo in the apt sources list.

Agreed only knowledgeable users should try this.

BLizgreat! · 2017-05-28 03:05:14

Not to start any type of raging debate but no Mozilla doesn't just name a repo jessie-backports, they are backports intended to work with Jessie fellow nixer they don't just arbitrarily name repositories in such as fashion and guy above, Hoas knows what he's doing when it comes to mixing repositories, it's no worries.

Though given a choice between upgrading FF to v. 52-esr via adding experimental repos or via the repo I posted above and shown on that website. Errrr, well actually either way would/should be harmless and will pull in the same packages regardless. So it's really a push and whichever way whichever nixer wants to go about it.

Goes w/o saying provided they have some understanding of what they're doing. Would probably personally error on the side of caution and do that via the jessie-backports repo though.

Again ... zero reason to be concerned with this. For almost the entire time I've used gnu/Linux have had the latest Firefox on any/every distro. Which Debian being my by far preference o course includes Debian stable and Sid too.

Get the thing where Hoas says, "esp between dist-upgrade's" but isn't fresh install still the recommended upgrade process for BL between releases ? Ah doesn't matter tis all good, whatever floats each nixer boat is ok with me. If still had a Jessie install, would go ahead and install that sucker and proceed to run it w/o issues, shrugs.

Though from that Mozilla repo site, this is of poss concern. Though as shown below, that repo is maintained by the "Debian Mozilla team". Not 100% sure they're officially Debian or Mozilla, whichever. Arghhhh. Assume it's the same person(s) who've been dealing with Iceweasel all this time.

Debian Mozilla team
The Debian Mozilla team provides various versions of some Mozilla related packages for use on different Debian systems. The following wizard helps you to find the packages suitable for your system.
WARNING: Iceweasel is gone. Please update your apt sources.
WARNING: Jessie backports of Firefox release, beta and aurora are gone because of the upcoming requirement of rust to build them, which is not available in Jessie. Please update your apt sources to use Firefox ESR instead.
WARNING: Aurora doesn't exist anymore.

Though ran latest FF release on Jessie no prob, up until overwrote and installed Stretch RC3 64bit and a 32bit. Encountered no problems via the method I've used for 6-7yrs now.

Vll!

Last edited by BLizgreat! (2017-05-28 03:41:53)

BLizgreat! · 2017-05-28 04:43:16

Which goes without saying hopefully, the above babble is in no way meant in any disrespectful manner towards John-san. Hope he knows I consider him a kickbutt nixer.

Oops, nor towards Deepdayze. Welcome aboard the Bunsenlabs express fellow nixer. Hoas is an uber tech-savvy fellow, was what I was trying to say. He's often my go to guy, when wondering about something gnu/Linux. Dude's already found and tried much, I've never even heard of.

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2017-05-28 09:13:40

johnraff wrote:

I used to be all for grabbing the latest version every time, but these days Fx upgrades usually bring some change I detest

+1

johnraff wrote:

Security fixes, fine, but Debian are pretty good at pushing those to the packages in Stable, even if they're old versions.

And this is the crux of the matter — the stable release is better suited to the ESR version of firefox because any new features will almost inevitably introduce new bugs and potential security flaws, this clearly contradicts the stable paradigm.

Debian stable always has the very latest ESR release very quickly indeed — the last release appeared in the stable repositories before it was available from sid, IIRC 8)

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