bl-welcome - Brave Horizons

lcafiero · 2016-09-20 06:04:04

johnraff wrote:

The BunsenLabs version that is hoped to go out some time after Stretch will be called Helium.

Quick question: Are we going to have to talk in higher, funny voices with Helium?

/me runs for the door

damo · 2016-09-20 06:32:48

johnraff wrote:

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Maybe the way things are at the moment is about right, in fact?

Yes - tidy up the repeat update calls, and it is good to go

Regarding the devel screens, one of the things about BL that impressed my web-developer brother was the LAMP install. I would like to see that section kept in, because it only takes a single "Enter" to skip over it, and it may impress geekier new users!

johnraff · 2016-09-20 07:07:42

damo wrote:

tidy up the repeat update calls, and it is good to go

Agreed, that's perhaps the single biggest annoyance. And it won't be fixed in Deuterium, unfortunately, because it needs some fairly extensive reworking. Xaos52 and I (and of course anyone else with ideas) are starting to think about separating the script into two parts: one to collect user decisions, and another to execute them.

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pvsage · 2016-09-20 07:37:47

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johnraff · 2016-09-20 07:46:13

Ah yes indeed. Thanks! (unreadable url removed)

Bearded_Blunder · 2016-09-20 09:52:30

One small comment:

system-tweaks
Offer to install PAE kernel if processor supports it. (For users who installed from CD)

This is handled currently in a manner which gives the impression that doing so is always a "Good Idea", however, my reading of this document led me to conclude that in low memory situations, PAE isn't needed, and merely adds overhead. I could, of course, have come away with a mistaken conclusion, but it does seem to guide users to install the PAE kernel in all situations where there is processor support, regardless if that's actually the choice a user might make given all the facts to make an informed decision.

johnraff · 2016-09-21 03:02:16

^At the moment, if PAE has processor support, but a PAE kernel is not installed, then this prompt is displayed:

bl-welcome wrote:

Your processor supports PAE, but you do not have a PAE enabled kernel installed. Would you like to install one now?

How would you suggest that message be improved?

Bearded_Blunder · 2016-09-21 12:58:28

How about

Your processor supports PAE, in order to address more than 2 GiB of physical memory a PAE enabled kernel is needed. Unless your hardware supports this there is no need to change. Would you like to install a PAE enabled kernel?

The issue isn't so much the existing message, more that it sits under a heading "System Improvements" which gives the impression this would always be an improvement, as does yes being the default response, without providing a new user any basis on which to make the decision other than "your processor supports it".

Alternately one could simply skip asking when PAE is irrelevant owing to having insufficient RAM to ever need it.

Third (subtle) way to handle it, is to leave the message alone, but make the default response depend on installed memory, "nudging" users who'd gain towards installing, and those who wouldn't away from it.

Were I to be really nit-picky, a user with say 512MiB of ram (I have such a laptop) may even gain from a "downgrade" to non PAE if they've installed from the PAE image, this won't be suggested though, as bl-welcome simply moves on if a PAE kernel is detected, regardless if that's the appropriate kernel.

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johnraff · 2016-09-22 06:57:37

^ I've started a new discussion on the desirability of PAE kernels here: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=2778

This thread is already getting a bit long and tangly. When we get a consensus there, the result can be posted back here.

johnraff · 2016-09-22 07:15:06

Side-discussion on the "devel" section: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=2779

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