Flashplayer not working on fresh installation

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-05-22 14:46:19

johnraff wrote:

So we have a policy conflict here.

I don't think so, I do agree that FlashPlayer is expected by most users and critical for some, the only issue is which implementation should be the default recommendation in BunsenLabs.

johnraff wrote:

Are there any statistics on Linux users' system damage caused by Adobe Flash vulnerabilities?

Well, I think a proactive approach to security is more sensible and to that end one should merely glance at the officially published CVE statistics for FlashPlayer to get an idea of the potential problems:
https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabilit … layer.html

I have just tried to install pepperflashplugin-nonfree & browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash in the live environment and the error message is still there and FlashPlayer still doesn't work:

Google Chrome Stable works perfectly and is automatically updated by Google, these updates are received quicker by Google Chrome users than by people taking advantage of Debian's Pepperflash implementation and so it is clearly both more reliable and more secure and (in my opinion) should be the default recommendation for FlashPlayer usage in BunsenLabs.

Sector11 · 2016-05-22 17:42:06

I'm watching this with great interest, I sure as hell do not want to install Google's Chrome (don't like Google) BUT i have switched to pepperflash - a contradiction I know.

And now when I try updating I'm getting:

 22 May 16 @ 14:31:29 ~
  $ pepper
[sudo] password for sector11: 
ERROR: failed to retrieve status information from google : W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
1397BC53640DB551
More information might be available at:
  http://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer
 
 22 May 16 @ 14:31:43 ~
  $

I can't win for losing. {sigh}

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-05-22 17:54:21

@S11: Use this to add the key manually:

gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 1397BC53640DB551
gpg --export --armor 1397BC53640DB551 | sudo sh -c 'cat >> /usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/pubkey-google.txt'

https://unix.stackexchange.com/question … on-from-go

Sector11 · 2016-05-22 18:23:18

^ HoaS - I honestly don't know how you do it. I've bgee to Ubuntu, Debian, Linux Mint Fedora and multiple other places - none worked. This seems to do it's thing:

 22 May 16 @ 15:21:20 ~
  $ pepper
 
 22 May 16 @ 15:21:31 ~
  $

At least no error - Thank you!

damo · 2016-05-22 18:41:02

Sector11 wrote:

I'm watching this with great interest, I sure as hell do not want to install Google's Chrome (don't like Google) BUT i have switched to pepperflash - a contradiction I know.
And now when I try updating I'm getting:
 22 May 16 @ 14:31:29 ~
  $ pepper
[sudo] password for sector11: 
ERROR: failed to retrieve status information from google : W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
1397BC53640DB551
More information might be available at:
  http://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer
 
 22 May 16 @ 14:31:43 ~
  $ 
I can't win for losing. {sigh}

That is what this whole thread is about! See Post #1

Although I tried @HoaS's method at the time (it looks familiar anyway), which didn't work.

Sector11 · 2016-05-22 19:13:57

Thing is, this is the third time I've had to do 'fix' the key. Fo as much as you said a new user shouldn't have to do this, why do it more than once?

damo · 2016-05-22 19:25:23

Sector11 wrote:

Thing is, this is the third time I've had to do 'fix' the key. Fo as much as you said a new user shouldn't have to do this, why do it more than once?

Same here, and I got fed up searching for an answer again,so I'm using the Adobe version 8o

I dislike Iceweasel/Firefox/Chromium though (why do they have to keep "modernising" the interface? ), so I'm using PaleMoon.

unklar · 2016-05-22 19:41:25

Sector11 wrote:

Thing is, this is the third time I've had to do 'fix' the key. Fo as much as you said a new user shouldn't have to do this, why do it more than once?

The dilemma has to do with: http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=6127.0
Sadly only in German

johnraff · 2016-05-23 01:22:31

damo wrote:

I dislike Iceweasel/Firefox/Chromium though (why do they have to keep "modernising" the interface? ), so I'm using PaleMoon.

Have you tried Firefox's Classic Theme Restorer addon? It shouldn't be necessary to resort to hacks like this, but once installed it's got things back how I wanted, anyway.

johnraff · 2016-05-23 01:28:36

damo wrote:

I got fed up searching for an answer again,so I'm using the Adobe version.

A lot of users don't want to use Google-chrome. Are we going to leave Firefox users, and 32bit system users, flashless?

CVE wrote:

...as used in the Adobe Flash libraries in Microsoft Internet Explorer...

The vast majority of those vulnerability reports are for Windows. I'd still like some idea of what risk Linux users are likely to be in from using flashplugin-nonfree.

EDIT However, it's clear from general googling that Flash is just Bad News anyway. I'm really not sure how we can simultaneously keep users both happy and safe! Would a workable compromise be to advise users about to install either adobe or pepperflash via bl-welcome not to use that computer for banking or any other critical purposes?

Re html5, my experience on an old laptop (1GB RAM, 1GHz cpu) was the opposite of what Damo and Head_on_a_stick suggested. (The main desktop has been fine, except for no BBC.) In the past even this, or my other similar laptop, played youtube videos without using more than 30% or so of CPU, leaving plenty for other things. Recently, though, any video viewed with the pepperflash plugin (20.0.0.306, installed before they pulled the plug on 32bit) brings cpu usage up to 100%, where it stays. Disable flash in about:plugins, go back to the same page, and with html5 (kicks in without any other tweaking) cpu is down to 60% or so. Still way too high, but now it's usable.

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-05-23 06:27:50

johnraff wrote:

it's clear from general googling that Flash is just Bad News anyway. I'm really not sure how we can simultaneously keep users both happy and safe! Would a workable compromise be to advise users about to install either adobe or pepperflash via bl-welcome not to use that computer for banking or any other critical purposes?

Personally, I would advise that users install Google Chrome Stable solely for FlashPlayer and leave Iceweasel installed as the main browser and keep that "clean".

Obviously, this flies in the face of the minimalist ethos of BunsenLabs somewhat but I think it is the optimal solution.

damo · 2016-05-23 11:45:29

johnraff wrote:

Have you tried Firefox's Classic Theme Restorer addon? It shouldn't be necessary to resort to hacks like this, but once installed it's got things back how I wanted, anyway.
http://s33.postimg.org/t5e8vnv4b/Screenshot_230516_firefox.jpg

That's what I was using with Iceweasel, then they changed the stop/reload/back/forward features again, and messed up my preferred layout. Palemoon is like Classic FF/IW but OOTB.

Sector11 · 2016-05-23 13:41:34

@HoaS
- Interesting, I use Midori for banking and Iceweasel for all else.

@damo
- Did you use the Pale Moon for Linux installer or get it through the Debian repo set up by Steve?

damo · 2016-05-23 14:09:08

Sector11 wrote:

...
@damo
- Did you use the Pale Moon for Linux installer or get it through the Debian repo set up by Steve?

I originally used the direct download x86 tar.bz2, and ran it from $HOME. Currently I'm using the source repo so I don't have to manually update it.

 $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/palemoon.list 
deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/stevenpusser/Debian_8.0/ /

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-05-23 18:02:39

Sector11 wrote:

I use Midori for banking

https://packages.debian.org/search?keyw … ection=all

I hope you keep it updated, Debian do not recommend using any other browser than Iceweasel or Chromium, see https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ … r-security

Personally, I use a live ISO image for internet banking -- you can load the BL ISO image from your hard drive via the GRUB menu:
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=1827

Sector11 · 2016-05-23 18:50:39

@HoaS - your first link leads to: HUH?

Second link says enough. Interesting thing is my bank updated their website and when they did that Iceweasel stopped working.

Must check again.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-05-23 18:59:37

Sector11 wrote:

@HoaS - your first link leads to: HUH?

Yeah sorry, I was just observing that Midori is not available in the official Debian repositories.

#derailer

Sector11 · 2016-05-23 19:20:42

8) say what! 8) I've had it here so long I can't recall where I got it. I have the same package that is in jessie-backports.

https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/midori

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-05-23 19:25:31

^ D'oh! How did I miss that? :8

And now back to your usual programme...

johnraff · 2016-05-26 04:17:45

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Personally, I would advise that users install Google Chrome Stable solely for FlashPlayer and leave Iceweasel installed as the main browser and keep that "clean".
Obviously, this flies in the face of the minimalist ethos of BunsenLabs somewhat but I think it is the optimal solution.

Any other opinions on this?

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