Once Again, The Default Terminal

pvsage · 2016-03-12 13:52:32

hhh wrote:

This is now a Spider-Man thread

You're right of course; discussion of possible alternative WMs for future releases of BunsenLabs belongs in another thread.

maestrobwh1 · 2016-08-01 21:37:06

My default terminal is always lxterminal in anything other than Unity or KDE. Been using 'nixes since 2006. Not sure why there is so much push back against "graphical" things. I want copy paste utility without trying to figure out what riddles I need to do with the keyboard depending on the emulator. Shortcuts can be found from the visible menus in emulators like lxterminal and there is no guessing. I know 'nix users seek efficiency but it often borders on the arcane: most people don't know anything close to what we know. It is hard for me as an educator to convince kids the magic of something like Bunsen when the learning curve is such that it seems daunting. People often toss perfectly good hardware in the closet or trash because it seems too slow with the OS it came with, so the more "usable" something like Bunsen is to a larger population, the better and the launching of any terminal is imperceivable on most machines that would have 256 MB or more of RAM. My ten cents.

hhh · 2016-08-01 22:13:37

Thanks for the feedback!

I use lxterminal primarily, xfce4-terminal if I want more custom colors, so I hear you. As for GUI, I'm all about it...
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?pid=33956

That said, we poll our forum members regarding these types of choices and the overwhelming request was for us to keep terminator as our default. BTW, lxterminal is the default for the CD-sized ISO.

Feel free to use lxterminal, it is one of our bl-alternatives (right-click menu>System>Debian Alternatives>bl-text-editor or similar, I'm not on my BL desktop atm). Or just remove terminator, lxterminal will be set as the default if it's the only available option.

becker_11 · 2016-08-02 02:01:03

Like many here I love urxvt however the config is daunting & has stopped me from installing it in the past.

I would love to see a pre configured urxvt in BL. I've never cared for Terminator or it's bundled features.

Regarding the "is this too advanced" question. I think most noobs to moderately savy linux users will only dip their toe into the terminal very briefly if required to do so while following a tutorial on how to set something up. Then quickly forget about it in favour of their preferred GUI way of doing things. So a more advanced (in my opinion) option of pre configured urxvt with tmux would be perfectly fine as it will work for the "quick-dip" while also catering for the more advanced nixer.

johnraff · 2016-08-02 02:28:16

hhh wrote:

Or just remove terminator, lxterminal will be set as the default if it's the only available option.

While the terminal is not one of our bl-alternatives - x-terminal-emulator is a standard Debian alternative - this should still work. Install lxterminal, uninstall terminator and carry on...

becker_11 wrote:

I would love to see a pre configured urxvt in BL.

There are already some urxvt configuration lines in the default BL ~/.Xresources that will take effect if anyone installs rxvt-unicode. Do you have some more advanced configuration in mind?

becker_11 · 2016-08-02 12:28:35

Okay so I posted my previous comment without actually looking at rxvt-unicode in bl.

Having now installed bl in virtualbox & installed rxvt-unicode and used it a little I like the defaults you've gone with.

For me at least I don't need anything more.

geekosupremo · 2016-08-02 16:17:48

:lifts noob flag: The following thoughts may be naieve and uninformed.

So I'm not sure what's so much better about urvxt. I've installed it and it seems like a terminal ... not unlike terminator. Granted it launched a bit faster than terminator but ever so slightly.

Besides the lower memory impact what is it offering?

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Sector11 · 2016-08-02 17:28:16

What ever the default is - I will install terminator. I like it.

cloverskull · 2016-08-02 19:42:19

I love terminator. Copy and paste FTW. It's a feature I'm happy to pay about 80 cents worth of memory for.

Horizon_Brave · 2016-08-02 20:50:15

I believe i said earlier... I use Guake for my gui terminal needs...Has copy + paste, and I love the drop downness of it. Sort of surprised more people don't use guake.

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Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-08-02 21:08:34

geekosupremo wrote:

urvxt [...] what is it offering?

The main feature for me is speed and lack of bloat (terminator is GNOME-terminal with a bunch of python scripts hacked on).

Does that delay really not bother you?

Anyway, assess the speed of the terminals with:

time cat $verylargefile

I use /var/log/journal for the $verylargefile; rxvt-unicode is about four times faster than terminator.

Having said that, I have recently moved on to st because it is even lighter than urxvt and equally quick and it offers compile-time configuration, which I prefer.

cloverskull wrote:

Copy and paste

To copy&paste with rxvt-unicode, left-click and drag to select the text and use middle-click to paste it.

PRIMARY FTW

geekosupremo · 2016-08-02 21:54:10

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Does that delay really not bother you?

Not really, besides the delay is barely noticeable ... but then again I'm used to using MS Windows

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Anyway, assess the speed of the terminals with:
time cat $verylargefile
I use /var/log/journal for the $verylargefile; rxvt-unicode is about four times faster than terminator.
Having said that, I have recently moved on to st because it is even lighter than urxvt and equally quick and it offers compile-time configuration, which I prefer.

I really like st's (and all the suckless tools really) philosophy, but not having any c-lang chops I'm less keen on it. Although it is stupid fast.

Actually piling on the "silly" question track. If I edit the "debian alternatives" to something other than terminator, could I then uninstall Xterm?

Sector11 · 2016-08-02 22:09:01

Mine was instantaneous:

 02 Aug 16 @ 19:04:30 ~
  $ cat /var/log/journal
cat: /var/log/journal: No such file or directory
 
 02 Aug 16 @ 19:04:37 ~

7 seconds to type the command and blink! "There it was."

@geekosupremo - terminator does not depend on xterm - so be like me - delete it.

 02 Aug 16 @ 19:08:49 ~
  $ dep terminator
alias dep=apt-cache depends
terminator
  Depends: gconf2
    gconf2:i386
  Depends: python-dbus
  Depends: python-gobject
  Depends: python-gtk2
  Depends: python-vte
  Depends: <python:any>
    python:i386
    python
  Recommends: python-gnome2
  Recommends: python-keybinder
  Recommends: python-notify
  Recommends: xdg-utils
 
 02 Aug 16 @ 19:08:54 ~
  $

guywithpups · 2016-08-03 03:20:53

Personally I like terminator because it comes closest to the feature set of iTerm which I use on my Mac. I also usually install https://github.com/lanoxx/tilda which I use as a dropdown terminal.

Head_on_a_Stick · 2016-08-03 07:26:17

Sector11 wrote:

Mine was instantaneous:
 02 Aug 16 @ 19:04:30 ~
  $ cat /var/log/journal
cat: /var/log/journal: No such file or directory
 
 02 Aug 16 @ 19:04:37 ~
7 seconds to type the command and blink! "There it was."

Sorry for the confusion S11, /var/log/journal is a directory (folder?) that contains the systemd journal files -- I `cat` one of the actual journal files contained within which are several megabytes of pure text.

You need to set your journal to "persistent" to create these files and run the command as root.

brontosaurusrex · 2016-08-03 08:01:42

So basically terminator is too much for some people (But still not as cool as iTerm) and urxvt is too little for most < kinda hard to solve

damo · 2016-08-03 09:47:04

So once again we go around in the big circle!

1: How about myterminal instead of Terminator?
2: Ah, but histerminal can do more than myterminal.
3: I like Terminator.
4: So do I.
5: But Terminator is slow and bloated.
6: Even though herterminal is very whizzy and cute, the keybinds are difficult.
7: It is very easy to install myterminal and use Debian Alternatives to set it as default.
8: OK, we'll keep Terminator as default.

O:)

Nili · 2016-08-03 15:15:13

rxvt-unicode it is my default terminal and will always be, the other terminal that may beat it for speed or lighter usage is stterm known as "st". In my opinion.

My only complain about urxvt is the 12.6MB usage once launched. mrxvt is using only 3MB but missing a lot of urxvt features.

Wish urxvt to have less than half of his mem usage. Still is my main terminal app.

hhh · 2016-08-03 19:58:25

cloverskull wrote:

I love terminator. Copy and paste FTW. It's a feature I'm happy to pay about 80 cents worth of memory for.

In both lxterminal and xfce4-terminal, copy/paste is Ctrl+Shift+c/Ctrl+Shift+v

ohnonot · 2016-08-03 22:20:16

we surely are going arounsd in circles on this one, but let me say it again... if you really want the middle way between absolutely lightweight, read blazing fast, and right-click functionality suitable to convince noobs to not throw away their dated hardware, the answer is still
roxterm.

those enlightened enough to be without right-click functionality (but get xdefaults and perlscript functionality instead), are also enlightened enough to check it out for themselves.

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