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deleted0 · 2021-03-28 14:36:43

sleekmason wrote:

Very nicely done! Really dig your menu. It seems that working around the "apps" menu is the way to go if you want icons in those categories.

After thinking about this for a bit, maybe the difference is, mine is Arch/Xfce, and not Debian/Openbox?

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sleekmason · 2021-03-28 20:03:47

eight.bit.al wrote:

sleekmason wrote:
Very nicely done! Really dig your menu. It seems that working around the "apps" menu is the way to go if you want icons in those categories.
After thinking about this for a bit, maybe the difference is, mine is Arch/Xfce, and not Debian/Openbox?
8bit

Good question! I assumed from the look that your menu was jgmenu set to "apps" with both the appends and prepends enabled? Anyhow, really like the look, and the icons are all there . . .? Good work anyhow.

If you are talking about icon/mimes/ configuration differences in Arch, I have no idea. Arch is on the list however:)

I found for my own uses, that if I set "csv_cmd = apps", in ~/.config/jgmenu/jgmenurc, all of the icons show up nicely in the menu and sub menus. (Using Gnome icons.)

If I set "csv_cmd = mymenu", and then pipe the "apps" menu, so that all of the headings fall under one main entry, no icons will appear within the piped entry. Maybe there is a way to have icons in the piped menu?

The "Debian" menu if enabled(/usr/bin/obamenu), gives similar entries in Openbox, but practically no icons appear in the Debian menu either. Just a few here and there. This held true while using LXDE as well as solo window managers. No idea why.

I still dig having them on the main menu window and any custom additional menus.

Guess I'm floating off topic. Are those icons part of your Arch install? Would like to look at them further. Nice lines!

deleted0 · 2021-03-28 21:38:45

sleekmason wrote:

eight.bit.al wrote:
After thinking about this for a bit, maybe the difference is, mine is Arch/Xfce, and not Debian/Openbox?
8bit
Good question! I assumed from the look that your menu was jgmenu set to "apps" with both the appends and prepends enabled? Anyhow, really like the look, and the icons are all there . . .?

I was having trouble groking jgmenu, so I set it aside for now. This was straight Xfce/XDG menus. I don't know what you mean by "icons are all there", but I'll try to guess.

The xfce desktop screen icon layer is turned off to get the full XDG menu with a right click. I don't use the top level "Mail Reader", so I set /usr/share/applications/xfce4-mail-reader.desktop with NoDisplay=true. Likewise with any others I didn't need to show.

[Desktop Entry]
Version=1.0
Type=Application
Exec=exo-open --launch MailReader %u
Icon=emblem-mail
StartupNotify=true
Terminal=false
Categories=Network;X-XFCE;X-Xfce-Toplevel;
OnlyShowIn=XFCE;
X-XFCE-MimeType=x-scheme-handler/mailto;
X-AppStream-Ignore=True
Name=Mail Reader
Comment=Read your email
NoDisplay=true

Notice the 'Icon=emblem-mail' line. Fully three quarters of the .desktop files had an icon name that did not match the name of the corresponding icon in the icon set used; Black Frost Suru, under files. Many had no corresponding icon, so I hunted through them for something I thought matched. Then I edited the .desktop file icon name.

If I wasn't on a single user system, I would have copied /usr/share/applications/ to ~/.local/share/applications and modified them there.

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sleekmason · 2021-03-28 22:17:30

eight.bit.al wrote:

Notice the 'Icon=emblem-mail' line. Fully three quarters of the .desktop files had an icon name that did not match the name of the corresponding icon in the icon set used; Black Frost Suru, under files. Many had no corresponding icon, so I hunted through them for something I thought matched. Then I edited the .desktop file icon name.
If I wasn't on a single user system, I would have copied /usr/share/applications/ to ~/.local/share/applications and modified them there.
8bit

Pretty much the same issue. I hadn't thought to change the desktop files. I just assigned icons where needed by making my own folder in /usr/share/icons and calling them from there. I don't see any reason I couldn't do the same with the desktop files if they will survive through a build. (I don't see why not right off? *edit - yes, but there are other pitfalls with upgrades and the like.) Thank you for the good info. This may change things a bit for me:) Thank you for giving the link as well!

Here is a copy of my jgmenu. It may be easier to follow when you get to messing with it again. Basically, "checkout" is a line holder, and "tag" is the sub menu itself, and because a particular "checkout" specifically calls a particular "tag", it doesn't matter where the "tags" are. In other words, make your menu outline first.(lines 1-16) And then add the tags to match what you want to see in your "tag" submenus.

Terminal,           lxterminal,       utilities-terminal
^sep()
Thunar,             thunar,           /usr/share/icons/ld-icons/Thunar.png
Firefox,            firefox,          firefox-esr
Thunderbird,        thunderbird,      thunderbird
^sep()
Quick Grab,^checkout(quickgrab),applications-other
Toggles,^checkout(toggles),object-flip-horizontal
^sep()
Debian,^pipe(jgmenu_run apps),debian-logo
^sep()
Utilities,^checkout(utilities),applications-utilities
Configuration,^checkout(configuration),preferences-system
^sep()
Restart,    openbox --restart,        /usr/share/icons/ld-icons/pixmaps/logout_reboot.png
Exit,               ld-logout,                 /usr/share/icons/ld-icons/exit4.png

^tag(quickgrab)
Recent Files,^pipe(jgmenu_run ob --cmd="recents-old",folder
Root Files,^checkout(rootfiles),folder-documents
Urxvt,              urxvt,            utilities-terminal
Writer,             libreoffice,      libreoffice-writer
Geany,              geany,			  geany
Spacefm,            spacefm,          spacefm
Pcmanfm,            pcmanfm,          system-file-manager
Mousepad,           mousepad,         accessories-text-editor
Newsboat,           urxvt -g 120x40+120+100 -e newsboat,         accessories-text-editor
Smplayer,           smplayer,         smplayer
Gpicview,           gpicview,         gpicview
Pragha,             pragha,           pragha
Gimp,               gimp,             gimp
Catfish Search,     catfish,          edit-find

^tag(utilities)
^sep()
Screenshot,         gnome-screenshot -i,              preferences-desktop-theme
Htop,               urxvt -e htop,                    htop
Gparted,            gksudo gparted,                   gparted
Lx-randr,           lxrandr,                          preferences-system-network
Transmission,       transmission,                     transmission
G-Alternatives,     galternatives,                    galternatives
Kernel Remover,     kernel-remover,                   edit-cut
Gnome Disks,        gnome-disks,                      gparted
Printer Setup,      gksudo system-config-printer,     printer
Galculator,         galculator,                       galculator
Synaptic,           gksudo synaptic,                  synaptic

^tag(toggles)
Conky,               toggle.conky,              object-flip-horizontal
Compton,             toggle.compton,            object-flip-horizontal
Clipboard,           toggle.parcellite,         object-flip-horizontal
Hotcorners,          toggle.ld,                 object-flip-horizontal
Screensaver,         toggle.xscreensaver,       object-flip-horizontal
Monsterpanel,        toggle.monster,            object-flip-horizontal
Plank + Tray,        toggle.stalonetray,        object-flip-horizontal
Tint2 Panel,         toggle.tint2,              object-flip-horizontal
Fbpanel,             toggle.fbpanel,            object-flip-horizontal
Plank,               toggle.plank,              object-flip-horizontal
Xkill,               xkill,                     edit-delete

^tag(rootfiles)
/etc/apt/sources.list,    gksudo geany /etc/apt/sources.list,  folder-documents 
/usr/share,               gksudo thunar /usr/share,            folder-documents
/usr/share/fonts,         gksudo thunar /usr/share/fonts,      folder-documents
/usr/share/icons,         gksudo thunar /usr/share/icons,      folder-documents    
/usr/share/themes,        gksudo thunar /usr/share/themes,     folder-documents
/usr/bin,                 gksudo thunar /usr/bin,              folder-documents
/usr/local/bin,           gksudo thunar /usr/local/bin,        folder-documents

^tag(configuration)
Power Manager,            xfce4-power-manager-settings,                   applications-system     
Lx-appearance,            lxappearance,                                   preferences-desktop-theme
Openbox Conf,             obconf,                                         obconf
Compton Conf,             geany ~/.config/compton.conf,                   compton
Jgmenu Conf,              urxvt -e jgmenu init --interactive -i,          document-properties
Conky Conf,               geany ~/.config/conky/conky.conf,               document-properties
Urxvt Conf,               geany ~/.Xresources,                            utilities-terminal
Tint2 Conf,               tint2conf,                                      tint2
Lightdm Conf,             gksudo lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings,            preferences-system
Fbpanel Conf,             geany ~/.config/fbpanel/default,                preferences-other
Xbindkeys Conf,           xbindkeys-config,                               applications-utilities
Dmenu Apps Conf,          geany ~/.config/dmenu/apps,                     geany
Ld-Hotcorners Conf,       geany ~/.config/ld-hotcorners/ld-hotcornersrc,  applications-games

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deleted0 · 2021-03-29 22:11:43

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hhh · 2021-03-29 23:10:04

OK, I chuckled. I'm laughing again! But this isn't Off Topiv, girls and boys, let's talk GNOME 40 or something even funnier. Anyone tried it yet? Desktop RAM, user experience, anything?

https://www.zdnet.com/article/fedora-li … olled-out/

deleted0 · 2021-03-30 00:17:49

Hey! That joke was the epitome of distro hopping. No OT here.
Let's ignore Gnome. Just when people got used the the suck that is Gnome, they made it worse. (if only by changing things for the sake of change)

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hhh · 2021-03-30 00:58:17

eight.bit.al wrote:

Just when people got used the the suck that is Gnome, they made it worse.

Where's @ohnonot with bunsen-quotes when you need him?

DeepDayze · 2021-03-30 01:42:27

hhh wrote:

eight.bit.al wrote:
Just when people got used the the suck that is Gnome, they made it worse.
Where's @ohnonot with bunsen-quotes when you need him?

Ditto...that's a great one by 8bit for the Bunsen Quotes collection

hhh · 2021-03-30 05:02:02

DeepDayze wrote:

hhh wrote:
eight.bit.al wrote:
Just when people got used to the suck that is Gnome, they made it worse.
Where's @ohnonot with bunsen-quotes when you need him?
Ditto...that's a great one by 8bit for the Bunsen Quotes collection

Also, we've been saying this since early GTK3, when they were breaking everyone's themes with every release before gnome-shell even came out. Thank the Linux for Mate and Cinnamon.

MALsPa · 2021-03-30 10:59:55

hhh wrote:

Thank the Linux for Mate and Cinnamon.

Ew.

Just kidding. I'm one of those who enjoys using GNOME Shell. Never completely warmed up to Cinnamon, and I haven't spent time with MATE. I think I'd probably get along fine with either one, though, because I tend to like any DE or WM once I've taken the time to get used to it.

glittersloth · 2021-03-30 14:55:22

MALsPa wrote:

Never completely warmed up to Cinnamon...

Same here. Always felt a tad... Windowszy.
As far as the alternative GTK-based heavy-ish DEs go, I kinda like Budgie, though my experience with it has been limited to Solus thus far.

DeepDayze · 2021-03-30 15:28:01

glittersloth wrote:

MALsPa wrote:
Never completely warmed up to Cinnamon...
Same here. Always felt a tad... Windowszy.
As far as the alternative GTK-based heavy-ish DEs go, I kinda like Budgie, though my experience with it has been limited to Solus thus far.

Budgie is like a greatly simplified GNOME with fewer customization options to me.

hhh · 2021-03-31 05:35:56

glittersloth wrote:

Same here. Always felt a tad... Windowszy.

It's why I use it, I started with Windows XP and Ubuntu Feisty Fawn. I'm used to windows that are open appearing in a panel where I can click and close them and stuff.

johnraff · 2021-03-31 05:45:34

hhh wrote:

windows that are open appearing in a panel where I can click and close them and stuff.

tint2

Colonel Panic · 2021-03-31 13:49:03

Two more installations to report - Absolute (not the latest version), which is based on Slackware and uses IceWM as its window manager, and CrunchBang++, with which many here will be familiar.

Absolute works well, is light on system resources and as far as I can see is more or less straight Slackware with LibreOffice added and the caps lock disabled by default (which I imagine there will be differing opinions about here - personally I like Caps Lock and use it a lot). Apart from that, it is hard to change the window manager in Absolute to anything else if you don't like IceWM, which for me is a negative as IceWM isn't my favourite window manager although it does have its plus points.

In addition, with the way IceWM is configured in Absolute it is difficult to move windows between workspaces (in fact it's not clear that there even are any workspaces other than the main one), which I normally do a lot. Nor can you list all the open windows by clicking on the desktop with the middle mouse button (again, which I like to do a lot).

I suspect the Absolute dev(s) idea was to make the distro / spinoff's desktop as close as possible to the Windows desktop, which of course doesn't have multiple workspaces, so that people who were used to Windows would feel more or less at home; and if that was so I suppose they succeeded.

I was interested to discover how Crunchbang++ differed from Bunsen. It's a long time since I used the original CrunchBang but my impression is that Crunchbang++ is more or less a straightforward updating of the original.

I like it on the whole but the menu doesn't update when you add new applications as readily as Bunsen's does, so you end up having to use dmenu a lot (which is configured differently from that in Bunsen, for example it runs along the bottom of the screen). Still, it doesn't take up a lot of space on one's hard drive, is also light on resources and and works well so it's a good choice, especially for those of us with older computers and smaller hard drives.

[EDIT: I've discovered one small but annoying fault with CrunchBang++; for some reason some of the numbers in Conky "blur out" after a while and become impossible to read. It's easily worked around though by substituting gkrellm for it instead. Killing and then relaunching it may also work.]

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hhh · 2021-04-01 04:50:20

johnraff wrote:

hhh wrote:
windows that are open appearing in a panel where I can click and close them and stuff.
tint2

In openbox, yes, though I prefer xfce4-panel for it's easier theming.

The point being that every time I use GNOME since they changed it, I always use extensions to try to get it back to more like the way it was, so I use an environment that does most of that for me to make it easier.

deleted0 · 2021-04-03 02:02:57

FlexcoreOS Xfwm4 Standalone

A 64 bit, Ubuntu-based operating system which uses the Xfwm4 window manager to independently control the desktop. Very smooth and fast. A joy to use. And a little bit of window tilling too.

On screen window switcher and mouse wheel switching. 300 hundred plus wallpapers? o.O

tint2 for a panel - Shutdown dialog.

Slingscold, a Gnome like, full screen application launcher.

8bit

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hhh · 2021-04-03 02:14:44

^ I'll excuse the gratuitous use of purple and the boring, overplayed Grateful Dead song because that looks lovely.

deleted0 · 2021-04-03 02:25:18

^ That's good, 'cause your opinion and $3.75 will get a latte at Starbucks.

(you should'a seen what I was gunna say. )

8bit

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