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#1551 2021-11-15 15:59:31

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

^ Thanks. One can always count on you @DeepDayze to say something positive.

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#1552 2021-11-16 01:48:29

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^^ Yeah, @al, Distro-Hopper of the Year Award, amazing.

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#1553 2021-11-16 04:25:50

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

@hhh thanks for the kind words.

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#1554 2021-11-16 22:55:42

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

DeepDayze wrote:

Nice write up on the Arch based distros out there and they seem to be all over the map. ArchLabs I may give it a go in a VM so that I can play with Arch and within a familiar BL environment. Seems with most of these distros the common thing is the installer isn't configured correctly.

Played with ArchBang years ago in its original incarnation and it was not too shabby however.

Bet the verdict is ArchLabs has a slight edge over the others smile

(and eight.bit.al)

ArchBang was great, I agree; I used to run it with fvwm-crystal as the window manager, and it worked just fine even with only 512 MB of RAM. It didn't "hold your hand" at all though, and it was easy to break the system if you weren't careful when you carried out a system upgrade (as I learnt from experience).

I generally use Manjaro as my Arch distro now for the simple reason that its installer is always reliable on my hardware. Some of the other Arch-based distros I've tried have either broken at the install phase or failed to complete. (Mabox also installs well, but I class it as a derivative of Manjaro.)

One I'd also like to mention is ArchEX, which unusually for an Arch-based distro uses Deepin as its desktop. It installs well although in common with most of Exton's offerings, it comes with the bare minimum of included software (no office suite etc.), so you have to do quite a lot of post-installation downloading and setting up.

https://www.exton.se/?p=3138

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#1555 2021-11-17 16:43:41

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DeepDayze wrote:
hhh wrote:

I've used Cinnamon extensively on Debian/BL and never had that issue, weird.

I suspect driver issues when that happens.

What  GPU is in that system @Colonel Panic?

Thanks for replying. According to hardinfo, the chipset is NVidia MCP 61.

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#1556 2021-11-17 17:38:51

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Colonel Panic wrote:
DeepDayze wrote:
hhh wrote:

I've used Cinnamon extensively on Debian/BL and never had that issue, weird.

I suspect driver issues when that happens.

What  GPU is in that system @Colonel Panic?

Thanks for replying. According to hardinfo, the chipset is NVidia MCP 61.

That's a very old nForce chipset and does it work with Nouveau?


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#1557 2021-11-17 18:08:12

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I'm in Slackware right now, and when I type in "glxinfo | grep -i vendor" I get this;

nouveau (0x10de)

It's working OK at the moment with Firefox, but I can't use Chromium or Vivaldi without on-screen tearing. The same with KDE 5 / Plasma.

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#1558 2021-11-17 19:33:12

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

Steve will rejoice because dedoimedo again is overflowing with praise of MX Linux (KDE spin): https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/mx-21-kde.html

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#1559 2021-11-17 20:12:33

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twoion wrote:

Steve will rejoice because dedoimedo again is overflowing with praise of MX Linux (KDE spin): https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/mx-21-kde.html

Yes it does look quite good and hopefully the quirks the author mentioned will be fixed in an update. I am thinking of giving KDE a whirl again but it has bitten me in the backside before. Perhaps will look to trying to replicate BL themes and workflow there too so might be a fun experiment.

MX-21 seems to be the closest thing to Windows and most users might feel quite comfortable in KDE.

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#1560 2021-11-17 20:17:51

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^
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That's good. I tried an early release of MXKDE and found it pretty buggy at the time. I was unhappy with it. Dedoimedo is VERY picky and hard to please so that's high praise indeed.

Best KDE imo is Solus KDE and/or KDE Neon but sounds like MXKDE is up there.

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#1561 2021-11-17 20:27:59

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

beaker wrote:

^
^^
That's good. I tried an early release of MXKDE and found it pretty buggy at the time. I was unhappy with it. Dedoimedo is VERY picky and hard to please so that's high praise indeed.

Best KDE imo is Solus KDE and/or KDE Neon but sounds like MXKDE is up there.

The major downside to KDE Neon is that it's based on Ubuntu LTS base but it has latest KDE packages.


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#1562 2021-11-18 00:31:47

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Looks like I will soon be installing MX-21 KDE on one of my laptops, it has a 15.6 inch 3840x2160 screen and scaling has been a PITA, but Dedoimedo says Plasma 5.20 (which MX-21 KDE has) handles it right and as mentioned he is picky.

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#1563 2021-11-18 00:40:35

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twoion wrote:

Steve will rejoice because dedoimedo again is overflowing with praise of MX Linux (KDE spin): https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/mx-21-kde.html

Not to mention MX has been at the top of DistroWatch and several Top 10 Distro lists for the past year or more...

https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity

https://www.ghacks.net/2021/10/25/distr … ux-review/

https://tecadmin.net/best-linux-desktop-distributions/

https://www.how2shout.com/linux/best-li … p-in-2021/

Their website isn't trumping us, though, we're right there...

https://mxlinux.org/

https://www.bunsenlabs.org/

Maybe one for our website "Reviews" page, number 3 on Tech Radar's "lightweight" list for 2021...

https://www.techradar.com/news/best-lig … nux-distro

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#1564 2021-11-19 18:08:54

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DeepDayze wrote:
beaker wrote:

^
^^
That's good. I tried an early release of MXKDE and found it pretty buggy at the time. I was unhappy with it. Dedoimedo is VERY picky and hard to please so that's high praise indeed.

Best KDE imo is Solus KDE and/or KDE Neon but sounds like MXKDE is up there.

The major downside to KDE Neon is that it's based on Ubuntu LTS base but it has latest KDE packages.

The major downside with any Ubuntu based distro is that the last time I needed it (setting up dualboot a couple of months ago) the installer crashed when choosing manual disk layout and trying to create a LVM-on-LUKS scheme. That shouldn't really happen in 2021. The only installer that was satisfactory was OpenSUSE's. Granted, Fedora installer failed just as disgracefully.

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#1565 2021-11-19 18:15:28

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twoion wrote:
DeepDayze wrote:
beaker wrote:

^
^^
That's good. I tried an early release of MXKDE and found it pretty buggy at the time. I was unhappy with it. Dedoimedo is VERY picky and hard to please so that's high praise indeed.

Best KDE imo is Solus KDE and/or KDE Neon but sounds like MXKDE is up there.

The major downside to KDE Neon is that it's based on Ubuntu LTS base but it has latest KDE packages.

The major downside with any Ubuntu based distro is that the last time I needed it (setting up dualboot a couple of months ago) the installer crashed when choosing manual disk layout and trying to create a LVM-on-LUKS scheme. That shouldn't really happen in 2021. The only installer that was satisfactory was OpenSUSE's. Granted, Fedora installer failed just as disgracefully.

I've had Ubuntu installer crash for other reasons and was a tad difficult to pin down, especially when doing manual partitioning of any sort. Adding in encryption would be a crash-fest as well as  I saw that too when testing encryption out on a spare disk. Debian installer has its own quirks too even in 2021...


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#1566 2021-11-19 21:31:52

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Verdict: 2021, not the yet The Year of the Linux Desktop. I'm just glad they're starting to unify sound via Pipewire.

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#1567 2021-11-19 21:43:10

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DeepDayze wrote:
twoion wrote:
DeepDayze wrote:

The major downside to KDE Neon is that it's based on Ubuntu LTS base but it has latest KDE packages.

The major downside with any Ubuntu based distro is that the last time I needed it (setting up dualboot a couple of months ago) the installer crashed when choosing manual disk layout and trying to create a LVM-on-LUKS scheme. That shouldn't really happen in 2021. The only installer that was satisfactory was OpenSUSE's. Granted, Fedora installer failed just as disgracefully.

I've had Ubuntu installer crash for other reasons and was a tad difficult to pin down, especially when doing manual partitioning of any sort. Adding in encryption would be a crash-fest as well as  I saw that too when testing encryption out on a spare disk. Debian installer has its own quirks too even in 2021...

I've had problems with the latest versions of Ubuntu as well, so the Ubuntu derivatives I use at the moment are both based on Ubuntu 18; Peppermint 10 and Bodhi 5.1 (I particularly like Peppermint).

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#1568 2021-11-20 00:37:56

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DeepDayze wrote:

Debian installer has its own quirks too even in 2021...

Indeed. It seems to do the job in setting up an initial LVM-on-LUKS, but without outside help is still unable to add new partitions to an existing LUKS. Longstanding bug.


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#1569 2021-11-20 03:52:51

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

johnraff wrote:
DeepDayze wrote:

Debian installer has its own quirks too even in 2021...

Indeed. It seems to do the job in setting up an initial LVM-on-LUKS, but without outside help is still unable to add new partitions to an existing LUKS. Longstanding bug.

Looks like no action since Nov 2019...

Wonder if anyone has gotten to install on an encrypted root volume while keeping the original encrypted /home. (and if they still have the LUKS key to that encrypted partition).  If so, how was it done and that would be great info for anyone who runs into that situation.

EDIT:

The link provided to a previous BL thread on this topic seems to be quite a good read...

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#1570 2021-11-20 15:08:15

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Slackware 15 RC 2 -

Screenshot-KDE-20211120-003214.png

Screenshot-mate-2021-11-20-00-39-13.png

default KDE and Mate desktops.


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#1571 2021-11-20 20:17:49

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@PackRat, they both look great.

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#1572 2021-11-21 00:11:40

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hhh wrote:

@PackRat, they both look great.

I think 15 will be a good release for Slackware. Zenwalk is based on Slackware current and just released an update based on 15. Big change for Zenwalk will be that this release has pipewire for sound by default; adios pulseaudio.


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#1573 2021-11-21 00:31:07

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PackRat wrote:
hhh wrote:

@PackRat, they both look great.

I think 15 will be a good release for Slackware. Zenwalk is based on Slackware current and just released an update based on 15. Big change for Zenwalk will be that this release has pipewire for sound by default; adios pulseaudio.

Now I gotta take a look at Slack again..that's where I got started with Linux. Had my share of bumps and bruises along the way but Slack was my roots.

Soon Debian and other distros will follow suit to make Pipewire the default and do away with PA completely.

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#1574 2021-11-21 01:24:48

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DeepDayze wrote:

Soon Debian and other distros will follow suit to make Pipewire the default and do away with PA completely.

I just switched to pipewire in Void. So far so good; although, not like I have a sophisticated sound system hooked up or do much sound/video editing.


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#1575 2021-11-21 02:59:09

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PackRat wrote:
DeepDayze wrote:

Soon Debian and other distros will follow suit to make Pipewire the default and do away with PA completely.

I just switched to pipewire in Void. So far so good; although, not like I have a sophisticated sound system hooked up or do much sound/video editing.

So PW is getting pretty solid now to be a good replacement for PA. There should be instructions out there to do that. Right now PW is basically running on top of PA in Debian...


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