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#1001 2020-08-15 21:44:11

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eight.bit.al wrote:
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I don't know about a tiling window manager (TWM?) distro,

Yeah, that could have been worded better. A distro with a TWM spin as opposed to a distro with TWM tacked on. Quite a few distros allow one to select a DE during the install and too many of them are bland, off the self implementations of that DE. That's what I like about Miyo spins, they're carefully blended base and DE. Like BL, it's much more than Openbox tacked on Debian. The best case, IMHO, is MX Linux. Debian stable with their own repos filled with backports/builds of the latest packages. Hoping this doesn't step on anyone's toes.

but you can get the same functionality and aesthetic using bspwm. The config file for bspwm isn't too difficult to work with.

Thanks, that's what I was hoping for, a suggestion. smile

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Here's a nice shot of bspwm on three screens; ArchLabs


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#1002 2020-08-16 07:30:58

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Folks please don't use TWM as an abbreviation for "tiling window manager" - because there's only one twm, and it's this one!

manyroads wrote:

Here's some info on TWM (Timeless Widow Manager) https://opensource.com/article/19/12/twm-linux-desktop

Oh, interesting.
Here's what I wrote about twm some time ago.


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#1003 2020-08-16 12:26:45

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^ Let me count the number of acronyms that have multiple meanings. Oh wait, I've run out of fingers and toes. smile

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#1004 2020-08-16 15:04:58

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

I just ordered a new PC. Color me excited!

My existing hosts are running Arch / Openbox (desktop system) and Fedora / Gnome (notebook). I won't be putting Fedora on my new one, and I'm not sure I want Arch. I'm thinking MX or Artix. I'm tired of everything being subsumed by systemd. But maybe I should just stick with a mainstream distro and not worry about that.

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#1005 2020-08-16 15:42:47

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Oh, what a tease. Link to new PC!

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#1006 2020-08-16 15:45:43

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I am so tempted to try a Devuan base and using the BL netinstall script to see if I can whip up a systemd-less BL smile


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#1007 2020-08-16 15:57:43

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

DeepDayze wrote:

I am so tempted to try a Devuan base and using the BL netinstall script
to see if I can whip up a systemd-less BL smile

That would be nice.


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#1008 2020-08-16 16:05:10

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Sector11 wrote:
DeepDayze wrote:

I am so tempted to try a Devuan base and using the BL netinstall script
to see if I can whip up a systemd-less BL smile

That would be nice.

I also did see on the Devuan site that there are instructions how to migrate ("crossgrade") from Debian Buster (which BL Lithium is based on) to Devuan Beowulf (which roughly corresponds to Buster). This most likely will result in the loss of several BL packages IMO as well as networkmanager (replaced with wicd in Devuan), but YMMV in that case.

These instructions are here for any brave souls willing to try:

https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev … to-beowulf

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#1009 2020-08-16 16:06:44

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#1010 2020-08-16 16:57:13

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DeepDayze wrote:

{snip}

These instructions are here for any brave souls willing to try:

https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev … to-beowulf

At one time I would have tried that as I ran 3 or 4 distros/versions of same didtro on hard metal.

Today I'm content to run SharpBang (Debian Buster) and only the one on hard metal.


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#1011 2020-08-16 17:41:13

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

ratcheer wrote:

I'm tired of everything being subsumed by systemd.

Maybe now's a good time for Miyo/Openbox you thought you'd might like to try.

ratcheer wrote:

Very interesting, @8bit. I have been toying with the idea of switching to Devuan. Miyo looks great!

https://sourceforge.net/projects/miyoli … 0-Release/

You can always toss it and do something else.  Look at me, I change distros like some people change shirts.

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edit: I used to not care about the systemd thing. But more and more... Here's something on the subject that made me smile while reading:

After the Great Init Purge, the Sythtemd Order installed their dark components on almost every system of the galaxy. All software was forced to depend on the greed, and deception of sythtemd and the Knights of the Old Linux were either converted to the dark side or exiled to the outer rim distros.

Yet the prophecy foretold that one day, the Knights of Old Linux, would return stronger than ever. With small installation sizes on their side, the bloat will be minimal, and the choice great.

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#1012 2020-08-16 18:23:27

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hhh wrote:

Hot off the press, MX Linux Plasma release...

MX is a good choice all around. Especially if one wants the noob tools MX is famous for. And a great community.
If one wants the up to the minute freshest, lightest, Plasma Desktop, Kaos can't be beat. Limited repos, 99% Qt only, exceptions - firefox, and a few other mainstream programs....

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#1013 2020-08-16 18:33:39

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ratcheer wrote:

I'm tired of everything being subsumed by systemd.

Following along the lines of "Apple" products would that be:

systemD

or

sYSTEMD

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#1014 2020-08-16 19:48:40

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DeepDayze wrote:

I am so tempted to try a Devuan base and using the BL netinstall script to see if I can whip up a systemd-less BL smile

Have a look at Star Linux

That's ozitraveller's Devuan distro and he has the netinstall iso, and maybe a cli version. Ozi was a #! user and tries to keep that design philosophy with Star. I believe he is registered here (but seldom seen) so you can pm him if you want.

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#1015 2020-08-16 19:55:23

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@eight.bit.al -

I didn't scroll back to see if you had tried this distro - InstantOS - Arch based distro

Another TilingWindowManager distro. Their InstantWM is a heavily patched dwm.


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#1016 2020-08-16 22:49:51

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^ Regolith is an i3 distro.  https://regolith-linux.org/

Of course Manjaro and ArchLabs also offer a few tiling wm choices.

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#1017 2020-08-17 03:24:48

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cog wrote:

... tiling wm choices.

I've only really used awesome, and that was pretty phenomenal (See what I did there? I'm an expert in synonyminology. Sorry, I watched Boondock Saints last night). Has its own panel, great virtual desktop implementation and can toggle between tiling layouts and floating.

So, as a beginner I had fun with awesome WM. What would you all suggest I try next?

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#1018 2020-08-17 04:05:17

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hhh wrote:
cog wrote:

... tiling wm choices.

I've only really used awesome, and that was pretty phenomenal (See what I did there? I'm an expert in synonyminology. Sorry, I watched Boondock Saints last night). Has its own panel, great virtual desktop implementation and can toggle between tiling layouts and floating.

So, as a beginner I had fun with awesome WM. What would you all suggest I try next?

DWM of course.  After your done with it you’ll appreciate what all the other tiling WMs do.  Then when your done with them, you’ll appreciate how simple DWM and what it did.


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#1019 2020-08-17 04:06:47

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Lol, then after that you’ll realize that the tiling Cinammon has was good enough.


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#1020 2020-08-17 04:31:57

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Yeah, I'm completely sold on Cinnamon in Buster, it's really easy.

Thanks for the recommendation, cog!

https://dwm.suckless.org/tutorial/

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#1021 2020-08-17 05:45:06

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hhh wrote:

Yeah, I'm completely sold on Cinnamon in Buster, it's really easy.

Thanks for the recommendation, cog!

https://dwm.suckless.org/tutorial/

I love dwm, it's now my default.  If you want to try dwm, you are welcome to my config big_smile


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#1022 2020-08-17 06:13:20

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I use Bunsenlabs + i3 on my Lenovo x230 as I find i3 works better for me on that small screen than Openbox does. I only have one issue with i3: some programs have pop-up windows that are too tall. Anyone know how to deal with that?

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#1023 2020-08-17 14:31:51

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hhh wrote:

Oh, what a tease. Link to new PC!

Ok, I expect this to be a big step up from my ca 2011 i5 system.

My current thinking is to stay with Arch Linux on the new PC, and once I get it settled, install Gentoo on the old one and try to learn to maintain it. I have installed Gentoo several times in the past, but I always get messed up trying to install applications. Their way of handling that stuff just doesn't click with me. Especially USE FLAGS and overlays.

Then, if I do figure out Gentoo, I would eventually install it on  the new host. If I still don't manage to figure it out, then maybe Sabayon.

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#1024 2020-08-17 17:55:09

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Re: Distro-hoppers anonymous

cog wrote:

DWM of course.  After your done with it you’ll appreciate what all the other tiling WMs do.  Then when your done with them, you’ll appreciate how simple DWM and what it did.

Lol, then after that you’ll realize that the tiling Cinammon has was good enough.

That pretty much sums it up.  monkey


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#1025 2020-08-17 17:56:46

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Martin wrote:

I use Bunsenlabs + i3 on my Lenovo x230 as I find i3 works better for me on that small screen than Openbox does. I only have one issue with i3: some programs have pop-up windows that are too tall. Anyone know how to deal with that?

/Martin

Start a normal help thread for this; I'm sure there's a solution (which I don't know) which would be beneficial to plenty of people.


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