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#1 2019-11-24 10:58:50

carugnom
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Any idea on where Lithium can be ready ?

Hi there.

Many months have passed since Buster's publication.
Are there some plans to have Buster based BunsenLabs in the near time ?
I'm using BL as my main system, but it's getting really old now sad
Hope to hear good news on this pretty soon.

Regards !

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#2 2019-11-24 12:39:43

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Re: Any idea on where Lithium can be ready ?

You should look in "News & Announcements". It is hoped that there will be a Lithium test iso imminently, but you have been able to try BL Lithium experimental for several months.


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#3 2019-11-24 13:15:15

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Re: Any idea on where Lithium can be ready ?

^ what are some of the delays? Can you share any specifics?


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#4 2019-11-24 13:49:35

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Re: Any idea on where Lithium can be ready ?

Part time devs, who have real lives and volunteering their time; discussions about optimizations and improvements; writing scripts and debugging; trying to do some future-proofing regarding Openbox/Wayland/etc.

"It will be ready when it's ready" wink


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#5 2019-11-24 14:14:18

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Re: Any idea on where Lithium can be ready ?

damo wrote:

Part time devs, who have real lives and volunteering their time; discussions about optimizations and improvements; writing scripts and debugging; trying to do some future-proofing regarding Openbox/Wayland/etc.

"It will be ready when it's ready" wink

So nothing open source that can be shared on the forum?


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#6 2019-11-24 14:57:41

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Re: Any idea on where Lithium can be ready ?

The Lithium experimental is as we all know based on Debian stable. And it works very well, I have no fear that it will go #!. I ´ ve had more or less zero problems with Lithium since the experimental repository were launched.

To clarify, I am not an advanced user,  one might say a very mundane use of it really. Nevertheless it has worked without any real deal breaking problems for me. The install process worked without glitches, and the instructions are easy to follow.

It might be wise to keep a backup of important stuff of course, but that is always wise. It is a "default" thing to do in my opinion. So if anyone really wants Lithium just go for it. How to;

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=5546

There are several threads in the "Development & Suggestions" and in "Bug Reports" part of the forum about Lithium that might be worth a read for anyone interested.


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#7 2019-11-24 15:33:39

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Re: Any idea on where Lithium can be ready ?

clusterF wrote:

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So nothing open source that can be shared on the forum?

??? Everything that has been packaged is available from Lithium dev repo, and the code is on the Lithium branch on BL Github.

You are very welcome to contribute to anything that takes your fancy.


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#8 2019-11-24 16:09:11

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Re: Any idea on where Lithium can be ready ?

damo wrote:
clusterF wrote:

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So nothing open source that can be shared on the forum?

??? Everything that has been packaged is available from Lithium dev repo, and the code is on the Lithium branch on BL Github.

You are very welcome to contribute to anything that takes your fancy.

Is it just me? Or is there a tone of annoyance because people asking? There's a difference between whiners crying 'why is it taking so long' and supporters wanting hints on what's going on.  I'm sure the Devs are glad for supports showing interest.  smile I see clusterF's question as just that, asking for hints. How big is the hill left to climb?

Users have lives too, and some are wondering if they should wait or move on to another OS, as I have done, hoping to come back to BL (possibly) sometime in the future. You're right, BL doesn't need me.

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#9 2019-11-24 16:51:51

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Re: Any idea on where Lithium can be ready ?

I perceive the answers provided by damo as very straightforward.

But is there something that I mixunderstand?  hmm

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#10 2019-11-24 17:01:25

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Re: Any idea on where Lithium can be ready ?

dolly wrote:

I perceive the answers provided by damo as very straightforward.

But is there something that I mixunderstand?  hmm

eight.bit.al wrote:

Is it just me?

Feel free to say , It's just you 8bit.  smile It's not necessarily damo in particular, but the general answers to the 'Is it ready yet' questions.

8bit

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#11 2019-11-24 17:36:18

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Re: Any idea on where Lithium can be ready ?

More information here: Development & Suggestions >> BL Lithium Release Date?

Regarding my posting style - it tends to be terse, but hopefully informative. Any "annoyance" is usually explicit wink

"It will be ready when it's ready"

This phrase, which is meant to be light-hearted, has been around on these forums since the Crunchbang days. It has been said many times!


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#12 2019-11-24 21:17:15

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Re: Any idea on where Lithium can be ready ?

damo wrote:

Part time devs, who have real lives and volunteering their time; discussions about optimizations and improvements; writing scripts and debugging; trying to do some future-proofing regarding Openbox/Wayland/etc.

"It will be ready when it's ready" wink

So is there a checklist to know when is everything 'done' anywhere ?

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#13 2019-11-24 21:36:30

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Re: Any idea on where Lithium can be ready ?

damo wrote:
clusterF wrote:

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So nothing open source that can be shared on the forum?

??? Everything that has been packaged is available from Lithium dev repo, and the code is on the Lithium branch on BL Github.

You are very welcome to contribute to anything that takes your fancy.

Ok thanks.


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#14 2019-11-24 21:54:22

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Re: Any idea on where Lithium can be ready ?

carugnom wrote:

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So is there a checklist to know when is everything 'done' anywhere ?

Not a public one, but as I said, an iso for testing is nearly ready.


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#15 2019-11-25 00:42:34

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Re: Any idea on where Lithium can be ready ?

damo wrote:

"It will be ready when it's ready"

This phrase, which is meant to be light-hearted, has been around on these forums since the Crunchbang days. It has been said many times!

It is, in fact, from Debian itself and refers to the very same thing, the release of the next "stable" version...

https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseWhenReady

damo wrote:
carugnom wrote:

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So is there a checklist to know when is everything 'done' anywhere ?

Not a public one, but as I said, an iso for testing is nearly ready.

Indeed, most things have been in-place for some time, now.

Some things that have slowed us down...

-integration of jgmenu as the default over the Openbox menu

-adding of new Devs and giving them time for their input and improvements

-themes/wallpapers/tint2/conky integration takes some time to gel (what will it look like?)

-details, the Devil is in them

But the biggest one is IRL, it's time management, being motivated, the stars aligning. It comes in waves. We've made really steady development progress this cycle, but realize that @johnraff has to coordinate an awful lot of details and then build an ISO he's proud to call BunsenLabs, and he has his own real life chaos as well. He's rowing a heavy boat ATM, give him due time to get there.

BTW, I take needling us about the release date a good thing. This person has spoken for The People, give them Lithium!

Hmm, sarcasm tag or not? monkey

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#16 2019-11-25 02:38:27

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Re: Any idea on where Lithium can be ready ?

It just so happens that the first "test" iso - for forum members only - is imminent. If no unforseen glitches appear then maybe a couple of days.

Feedback and questions are most welcome, always. Fact is, there are a lot of small details that have to be sorted if we're to avoid a storm of post-release support questions, and people who try the experimental packages are extremely helpful when they discover issues (eg Dolly's recent feedback about bl-exit).

In the next couple of weeks, despite our best efforts, there are likely to be more problems with the test iso that feedback from the community will help us get sorted for the "official" release.

As Damo has already said, all our source code is publicly visible on GitHub: https://github.com/BunsenLabs and posting an issue there is a good option if you already know what package is responsible. Otherwise, our "Bug Reports" section is the place: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewforum.php?id=14

We have got a long detailed TODO list which I will post in the "Roadmap" thread right now, but please understand that while there is nothing secret, many of the notes are very brief and might not make sense to someone who is not already familiar with the issue. Please also understand that to explain them all in detail here and now would be a further drain on our limited resources, so it will be offered as-is. smile
(In fact, the "DONE" section is quite big now, and most of the rest is for less urgent wishlist-level things that we would like to get done by the official "release" if possible...)

Apart from technical fixes, many of the devilish details involve getting a consensus among the dev team. We often post the bigger questions for community input in the "Development & Suggestions" section: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewforum.php?id=13 but I'm sure you can appreciate that if we did this for every single thing that came up then development would grind to a halt. That's what we have a developer team for.

Anyway, to repeat, we have no secrets, and input from the community is more than welcome.

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#17 2019-11-25 02:51:39

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Re: Any idea on where Lithium can be ready ?

johnraff wrote:

We have got a long detailed TODO list which I will post in a new thread right now...

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 344#p94344

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#18 2019-11-25 08:20:15

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Re: Any idea on where Lithium can be ready ?

Thanks guys!  kiss


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#19 2019-11-26 21:13:38

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Re: Any idea on where Lithium can be ready ?

Everything works fine with this version i like hydrogen. i'll maybe stay on stretch for some time until i have some time to change all.


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