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#3001 2019-10-30 08:37:30

BLizgreat!
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Just random junk fellows, is gnu/Nix related but can't see an appropriate place to shoehorn it so here seems best.

Ok, finally got around to setting up Debian Buster, during all of this and a very painful process for me indeed (as in 30 friggin hours !!!!! Still a couple of things I want to do to the install too. AHHHHH !) one thing I elected to install and continue using gksu, just added the oldstable = Stretch repos to sources.list and installed from there. Remember Hhh lamenting the loss of leafpad, also like leafpad too. This would be an easy means to get it on later Debian.

Also note: Gksu is not only deprecated but known to be long unmaintained and to have security issues, I don't care but mention it for people and lxqt-sudo is in the Buster repo's. Will likely switch to it and use a bash alias cause typing lxqt-sudo bites. big_smile Though yeppers, gksu/do working as it always has in Buster here.

Next up on my random list, noticed FF and firefox-esr now come with 8 content processes out-of-box. My rule of thumb tends to be 1 CP per/cpu(core) on a system. My crusty lappy only has 2, so lowered CP's to two and getting on with life. Just a heads up if anyone cares or has any commentary.

Viva la Bunsenlabs gnu/Linux and the BL team and community too ! smile

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#3002 2019-11-05 02:31:30

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More random gnu/nixness fellows. Been brushing up on cli networking related cmds and tools. Came across this use for dig, ie: "dig www.google.com" will show which dns server was used. In my case it's showing 8.8.8.8 = Google public dns server(s.)

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#3003 2019-11-05 07:57:15

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

^ I use opennic servers; but dig shows

SERVER: 127.0.0.53#53(127.0.0.53)

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#3004 2019-11-05 08:09:44

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

^Your local network router's IP?
I got 192.168.11.1 for presumably that reason?


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#3005 2019-11-05 08:13:43

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

^ no, it's happening inside the machine.
Apparently systemd-networkd routes all DNS requests throught that address/port.

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#3006 2019-11-05 08:24:08

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

^Then why is mine different? (Debian Stretch)


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#3007 2019-11-06 05:55:20

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

Because BL uses network-manager and probably ... (checking) ... definitely not systemd-networkd.

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#3008 2019-11-06 06:24:03

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Ah, it's available in Debian Stretch but not enabled by default:

john@helium:~$ systemctl status systemd-networkd
● systemd-networkd.service - Network Service
   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-networkd.service; disabled; vendor 
   Active: inactive (dead)
     Docs: man:systemd-networkd.service(8)

Unless the installation of network-manager disables systemd-networkd.


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#3009 2019-11-06 06:32:17

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

johnraff wrote:

Unless the installation of network-manager disables systemd-networkd.

Something like that.
Also, most distros do not blindly enable every new & buggy (the stretch version probably still is) systemd feature.
I use it because there's exactly one totally static network connection for this machine, and I need full control over DNS resolution and internal IPs.

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#3010 2019-11-06 08:20:48

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What John-san said ... removed all that jazz from my relevant files. Well put them at the bottom of file, where they'll likely never be used. Output of "cat /etc/resolv.conf" gives, (Debian 9/Stretch)

# Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
#     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
options timeout:1
nameserver 8.8.8.8
nameserver 8.8.4.4


nameserver 192.168.0.1
search hitronhub.home

Output of "dig www.google.com",

;; ANSWER SECTION:
www.google.com.        127    IN    A    172.217.5.4

;; Query time: 123 msec
;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
;; WHEN: Wed Nov 06 02:14:11 CST 2019
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 59

Babbled in another thread about how aggravating some of this has gotten, like /etc/resolv.conf, many things will attempt to fiddle with it. Which can mean either shutting those down (where poss) or having to edit it's relevant file to get what you prefer working. In my case I've still got the resolvconf.service running and so had to track down and edit it's file vs attempting to edit resolv.conf directly, as it would be overwritten by resolvconf.service.

File is/was ... /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head. Whatever someone puts into the sucker gets put at the top of the resolv.conf file it generates. Overall in my view getting to be an over-complicated mess. To add to the already muddy water there's also systemd-resolved.service someone could enable or have running. According to Head_on_a_stick, it's not worth using and is buggy still. Still interact with him in the Debian forums occasionally. Haven't opted for networkd yet, still doing with wicd-gtk.

Hey gnu/Linux is still awesome as far as I'm concerned. It's a learning process and many new(weird) changes are being implemented. Am trying to somewhat keep up and kinda feel like I'm wrestling with my installs to some extent now.

RANT:

If I manually edit /etc/resolv.conf ... LEAVE IT ALONE and USE THOSE DNS SERVERS !!!! AHHHHHH !

PS, reason for mentioning the dig command was because I was very pleased to see that my preferred dns servers are being respected. Thus that some stupid service or network thingy isn't hijacking the way my OS/installs are config'ed. In the case of wicd-gtk in it's applet it has fields to add your preferred dns servers, assuming I'd have to set them as root-etc. Also obviously means it can somehow interact and overwrite the /etc/resolv.conf file !!! Though haven't bothered digging around in exactly how it works. Idea of perhaps having to disable this or that service, so it'll leave wicd-gtk alone = aggravating me. hmm

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#3011 2019-11-06 08:33:30

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Anyone feel like setting up a local dns server ? big_smile

Have only ever read about it and apparently doesn't take all that much in terms of disk space to do. Could have the thing automatically rsync or sync with an authoritative dns server online occasionally. End result ? Instant ... local domain resolution AND total privacy in terms of dns snooping anyway, as nobody should/could possibly be able to track someone's dns requests. Possibly avert dns poisoning too blahblahblah. smile

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#3012 2019-11-06 15:04:52

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

BLizgreat! wrote:

Anyone feel like setting up a local dns server ? big_smile

...  Possibly avert dns poisoning too blahblahblah. smile

It still has to be refreshed regularly from some "authoritative" DNS.

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#3013 2019-11-06 15:10:14

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^ Hey, hope you're doing well Ratcheer. Yep would come with the territory, though sure it can be setup so that it's quick, painless and automagically done in background. Mentioned only ever read about it. Has been on the 2-dork list for a long time, dunno if I'll ever even get around to trying it anyway. Is a cool idea in my view. Atm expanding on my sysctl.conf tweaks. Trying out diff kernel parameters and related gnu/Nix dorkery. big_smile

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#3014 2019-11-06 15:52:12

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More nonsense on the above, built into gnu/Nix, someone can set fallback dns servers etc. That's what the "options timeout:1" above does, if the first dns server in my resolv.conf file fails, it quickly falls back to the second ... 8.8.4.4 there. Which is does anyway w or w/o the timeout thing, am only lowering how long it waits somewhat. Just saying, local dns, oops no good, OS shifts gears and checks the next.

Also am just stashing this here. Have yet to implement some of these on Buster, still dorking with my daily driver 32bit Stretch install. Also DO NOT apply these in an arbitrary fashion. without doing your research. I use and like these for my system and my particular situation atm.

# Lowering swappiness
vm.swappiness=10
# Cache pressure
vm.vfs_cache_pressure=50
# Other vm tweaks. dirty_ratio was 20% and dirty_background_ratio was 10, I cut these 1/2 10/5% instead.
vm.dirty_ratio =10
vm.dirty_background_ratio=5
# Min amount of RAM to keep unoccupied for apps-etc use, default on 4gb-sys was 41mbs(value is in KB's)and 2x default here.
vm.min_free_kbytes=83968
# Disable slow start for idle connections.
net.ipv4.tcp_slow_start_after_idle=0
# Enable tcp fast open, changed from the default of 1.
net.ipv4.tcp_fastopen = 3
## Here's where you choose congestion control algo. Veno is supposedly designed for lossy wireless connections.
net.ipv4.tcp_congestion_control=veno
## This would enable the BBR congestion algo, # the above if you do.
#net.core.default_qdisc = fq
#net.ipv4.tcp_congestion_control = bbr
# This detects dead TCP connections after 60secs, keepalive timeout kinda thing.
net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_time = 60
net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_intvl = 10
net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_probes = 6

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#3015 2019-11-06 18:19:50

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

Why does nearly all new forum members refrain from writing introductory posts?


Keep BunsenLabs #!yish please.

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#3016 2019-11-06 18:57:31

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^ Too busy watching dirty stuff online, you know how geeks are. Well make that the male of da human specie in general are. big_smile

Honestly dunno, just another thing about online gnu/Nix forums and their communities. Crunchbang only had several thousand registered users, whereas I'm sure the userbase was in the 10's of thousands if not pushing 100k or more. Take a distro like Linux Mint, one of the most popular in the world, seen somewhat credible estimates putting the userbase in the several millions. Don't quote me but think it was like 7 million or more. However it has ...

Total members 121122

Think many a techie is somewhat anti-social. Which to an extent includes myself. I like tech, it's 100% dependable, EVERY TIME, provided someone learns what they're doing a system will never let you down. May break but will even sometimes tell somebody what's not working with it's POST code beeps for help. Very unlike many living breathing human type creatures. big_smile Ahhh dear, gnu/Linux and old crusty laptop, you never argue with me, chastise me, try 2 steal from or betray me, never say clearly retarded things to me ... etc etc. I WUV YOU !!!

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#3017 2019-11-06 19:11:39

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^Too lazy (like me) or having priorities and crazy fast living tempo.
New member : Talk is cheap, tell me...
1. The magick code.
2. How to make my sound work again.
3. How to put the Conky in the Jgmenu.
4. Why is my computer screaming like the Tasmanian devil in the matting time.
5. Will bunzenlabs work on my new 5x53zS-558p-lk model 2012 mini back massager.
etc, etc...

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#3018 2019-11-06 23:24:31

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^ LMFrigginAO !!! big_smile

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#3019 2019-11-07 23:10:08

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New proposed look for debian.org: https://old.reddit.com/r/debian/comment … _november/. Direct link: https://debian-newhomepage.larjona.net/

General feedback seems negative. I'd say rightly so.


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#3020 2019-11-08 02:14:53

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Well, they did have to use the new banner. tongue

I like that the layout places Community before The Project if you're scanning left-to right, that's a cool presentation. We're not new, we're not flashy, we're not elitist, just see if you think all these people are right about this OS.

But "we're not flashy"... This design makes me miss everyone having Flash homepages. Gradients. Rounded big buttons to click on. ANYTHING!!!

Debian... take a look at the Internet, would you?

http://cloudsovercuba.com/

That said, this mock-up is pure Debian. Debian Bug Reports, Debian Mailing Lists, etc... Debian has never even heard of CSS, apparently. I have to applaud their steadfast adherence in their web-presence to the philosophy of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." and "Keep it simple, stupid."

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#3021 2019-11-08 04:13:40

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You don't need bloated animated electurd javascript or whatever to make sites pretty. Proper formatting, colour palette and typography go a long way.

Edit:
Then again, what do I know? These days, I rate a site's "aesthetique" based on the numbers in the badges on top of the uBO, POOP, Decentraleyes, ClearURLs and CanvasBlocker extension icons in my browser toolbar. The lower the numbers, the prettier the site, in my eyes.

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#3022 2019-11-08 05:21:09

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glittersloth wrote:

You don't need bloated animated electurd javascript or whatever to make sites pretty. Proper formatting, colour palette and typography go a long way.

Edit:
Then again, what do I know? These days, I rate a site's "aesthetique" based on the numbers in the badges on top of the uBO, POOP, Decentraleyes, ClearURLs and CanvasBlocker extension icons in my browser toolbar. The lower the numbers, the prettier the site, in my eyes.

Exactly. And everything stays in the same place without being slippery and slithering about.


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#3023 2019-11-08 05:54:32

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

damo wrote:

... everything stays in the same place ...

Yes, yes.


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#3024 2019-11-08 13:55:56

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The mockup https://debian-newhomepage.larjona.net/ seems user friendly, I like it.

What of the slide of the calamares installer for debian? Is that in the pipeline?

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#3025 2019-11-08 16:30:59

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Ok, two columns in that mockup represent dual nature of Debian, but spaces between icons and text do not scale down nicely. Narrow your window and see what happens.  You have to go deep down before two columns become one.

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