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#1 2019-04-03 18:45:53

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[CLOSED] Bunsenlabs Architecture

Debian seems to work on aarch64, armel, armhf, i686, mips, mipsel, ppc64el, s390x and x86_64 architectures while Bunsenlabs work only on i386 and x86_64 architectures.

Since Bunsenlabs is based on Debian, should it work with all architectures in which Debian works?

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#2 2019-04-03 19:50:18

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Re: [CLOSED] Bunsenlabs Architecture

The install media has to be built for the hardware architecture; BL is only built for x86_64 and i386.

Plans to build for additional architectures? I don't know.

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#3 2019-04-03 21:43:56

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Re: [CLOSED] Bunsenlabs Architecture

Our packages should also be installable on armhf, but I don't think anyone on the team has the equipment to test that with...

https://www.bunsenlabs.org/index.html#architectures

Note that the installation instructions link provided here currently leads to a 403 page. I've opened a GitHub issue for the problem, I'm sure @twoion will fix it as soon as he has time. It's possible that my IP is on a blocklist and you won't receive the error page, though.

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#4 2019-04-03 23:02:12

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Re: [CLOSED] Bunsenlabs Architecture

^ Link is OK here ATM hmm


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#5 2019-04-04 04:04:56

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I see, so it's our installation package that is restricting the architectures.

Well, I just wanted to know since I noticed that in distrowatch. No plans on installing on any other systems at the moment. smile


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#6 2019-04-04 05:23:21

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Re: [CLOSED] Bunsenlabs Architecture

hhh wrote:

Note that the installation instructions link provided here currently leads to a 403 page.

huh.
i guess you mean the link labeled "instructions" which points to http://pkg.bunsenlabs.org/ which, when clicked, redirects _me_ to http://eu.pkg.bunsenlabs.org/ which gives a 403 Access Denied error.

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#7 2019-04-04 05:59:41

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ohnonot wrote:
hhh wrote:

Note that the installation instructions link provided here currently leads to a 403 page.

huh.
i guess you mean the link labeled "instructions" which points to http://pkg.bunsenlabs.org/ which, when clicked, redirects _me_ to http://eu.pkg.bunsenlabs.org/ which gives a 403 Access Denied error.

Yes I guess, for me it's http://asia.pkg.bunsenlabs.org/ for obvious reasons.


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#8 2019-04-04 14:58:35

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damo wrote:

^ Link is OK here ATM hmm

Ditto, even from a hotel room connection.


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#9 2019-04-04 16:19:36

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#10 2019-04-05 07:42:02

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Re: [CLOSED] Bunsenlabs Architecture

linux_user wrote:

I see, so it's our installation package that is restricting the architectures.

Most of our packages are configuration and scripts, architecture-agnostic, but our iso installer files are, as you noticed, built only for i386 and amd64 at the moment. Building, and testing, for other architectures requires having that hardware, and developer time, available, and we don't have such resources at the moment.


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#11 2019-04-05 07:49:15

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Re: [CLOSED] Bunsenlabs Architecture

johnraff wrote:
linux_user wrote:

I see, so it's our installation package that is restricting the architectures.

Most of our packages are configuration and scripts, architecture-agnostic, but our iso installer files are, as you noticed, built only for i386 and amd64 at the moment. Building, and testing, for other architectures requires having that hardware, and developer time, available, and we don't have such resources at the moment.

From what I've seen on lists.debian.org over the years, even Debian struggles with testing multiple archs, even with all their contributers, though they have a good excuse.. they're doing 10 major archs and them some.

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ … 01.html.en

https://lists.debian.org/devel.html

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#12 2019-04-05 09:06:23

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Re: [CLOSED] Bunsenlabs Architecture

johnraff wrote:

Most of our packages are configuration and scripts, architecture-agnostic, but our iso installer files are, as you noticed, built only for i386 and amd64 at the moment. Building, and testing, for other architectures requires having that hardware, and developer time, available, and we don't have such resources at the moment.

Not just that, I am not sure if there is a decent number of people running BL on other architectures (ARM being an exception). I do see some threads here and there for other architectures but they are limited to just a few handful.

By the way, since Debian has ARM installer, doesn't it mean we can install it on mobile phones and tablets (although there would be hardware compatibility issues for compass, gyroscope and other mobile specific hardware)?

hhh wrote:

From what I've seen on lists.debian.org over the years, even Debian struggles with testing multiple archs, even with all their contributers, though they have a good excuse.. they're doing 10 major archs and them some.

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ … 01.html.en

https://lists.debian.org/devel.html

I've always wondered how lists work. Is it that you subscribe to a list and then you get all the emails among the members on that list?

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#13 2019-04-05 14:03:37

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Re: [CLOSED] Bunsenlabs Architecture

^ Supporting handhelds or a pile of other exotic architectures in any specific and meaningful way exceeds the capacity of the core project. If people are willing to try it out and write documentation, that'd be very welcome, but we only have that much steam.

The current state of armhf in BL helium is that I did attempt to build the single binary package we currently have in our core repo for armhf (tint2), but the armhf target architecture in pbuilder is broken (either debootstrap or pdebuild fail, or both, I can't remember). A armhf VM must be made and builds be done there. Again, not so much steam.

That being said, users can still simply include our helium repos on armhf; all packages that have the 'all' architecture will install just fine, and users can use the tint2 from the Debian repos, built for armhf.

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#14 2019-04-05 14:34:58

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Re: [CLOSED] Bunsenlabs Architecture

linux_user wrote:

I've always wondered how lists work. Is it that you subscribe to a list and then you get all the emails among the members on that list?

I would assume so, but I've never subscribed to any. I just use the site occasionally to follow a thread in reverse. For example, the latest debian-devel issues...

https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2 … reads.html

Subrscribe at your own risk, as you can see there are several SPAM threads this month.

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#15 2019-04-05 14:47:04

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earlybird wrote:

^ Supporting handhelds or a pile of other exotic architectures in any specific and meaningful way exceeds the capacity of the core project. If people are willing to try it out and write documentation, that'd be very welcome, but we only have that much steam.

Oh no! You misunderstand. I wasn't asking for a BL armhf installer.

I was merely clearing a doubt on whether we can use distros for armhf architecture (like Debian) on mobile devices since they are also based on armhf. And I learn that we can. smile


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#16 2019-04-06 04:45:20

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Re: [CLOSED] Bunsenlabs Architecture

linux_user wrote:

By the way, since Debian has ARM installer, doesn't it mean we can install it on mobile phones and tablets

try it. and please tell us how it goes, we're all very interested.

earlybird wrote:

The current state of armhf in BL helium is that I did attempt to build the single binary package we currently have in our core repo for armhf (tint2), but the armhf target architecture in pbuilder is broken (either debootstrap or pdebuild fail, or both, I can't remember).

that is sad, i remember compiling tint2 myself on my pinebook (since sold on) and it was trivial.

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#17 2019-04-07 06:15:18

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Re: [CLOSED] Bunsenlabs Architecture

ohnonot wrote:
linux_user wrote:

By the way, since Debian has ARM installer, doesn't it mean we can install it on mobile phones and tablets

try it. and please tell us how it goes, we're all very interested.

As soon I get an extra phone. big_smile


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