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#1 2019-03-23 12:18:31

Colonel Panic
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Hello everyone

Hi!

I've recently found Bunsen and am intrigued by what the devs have done to build on the CrunchBang legacy.

I've been using Linux for a few years now but there's still a lot I don't know about the OS.
I used CrunchBang for a while, along with a couple of other distros such as AntiX, Vector and Puppy, and then gravitated to other distros such as Sparky when the developer ceased working on the project.

I'm not anti-Microsoft on principle but I very much dislike the fact that Windows is installed by default on most new PCs and users aren't given a choice from the get-go when there are other options available such as Bunsen Linux (and let's not forget the BSDs). I have an old and ailing computer (a 2008 Acer Aspire M1610), and think it makes a lot more sense for me to use Linux than Windows.

I like the greater control and flexibility that Linux gives me over Windows, and also the fact that, unlike in Windows, I can update the distro from just one terminal in a workspace whilst still working on something else.

I've been using Fluxbox for a few years but am fairly new to Openbox and am still finding my way round it (there's a lot to learn).

I also use "raw" Debian Stable, which I find more economical on system resources than other flavours of Linux, and (occasionally) Slackware. I once tried ArchBang, which is based on Arch, and was impressed with it until I made the mistake of trying to upgrade the whole system in one go and trashed it; a well known problem with Arch apparently.

Thanks for hearing me out! That's probably more than you wanted to know about my Linux experience.

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#2 2019-03-23 12:49:44

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Re: Hello everyone

That's probably more than you wanted to know about my Linux experience.

Not at all - it's better than "Hello everyone, I'm here"!

My laptop got wiped within 10mins of unboxing it, and BL was installed wink

Fluxbox is good, and you can install it alongside Openbox if you want. The WM can be chosen at the login screen.


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#3 2019-03-24 02:09:22

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Re: Hello everyone

Welcome to the lab, Colonel!


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#4 2019-03-24 02:42:45

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Re: Hello everyone

Welcome aboard!

I hardly use Windows and run it in a VM in case I need to run some Win-app. Linux is the way to go and #! lives on in BL smile

Corenominal must be proud of where his distro is heading too.


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#5 2019-03-24 16:51:20

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Re: Hello everyone

Thanks for the welcome everyone! Damo, I think Fluxbox has some good default configuration options especially the mouse bindings (double click on the titlebar with the left mouse button to shade a window, Alt + left mouse button to drag a window across the desktop etc.).

I think Openbox just has the edge where aesthetics are concerned though - it just looks a bit more polished and elegant to me than Fluxbox.

DeepDayze; I've never used a VM and don't know much about them but I know they're popular. Aren't they more demanding of system resources than is running the same distro or version of Windows from the hard drive though?

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#6 2019-03-24 18:55:07

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Re: Hello everyone

Colonel Panic wrote:

... Damo, I think Fluxbox has some good default configuration options especially the mouse bindings (double click on the titlebar with the left mouse button to shade a window, Alt + left mouse button to drag a window across the desktop etc.).
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You can do the same kind of things with Openbox of course wink


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#7 2019-03-25 06:01:34

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Re: Hello everyone

I'm working on that smile. I probably will end up doing what you suggest and having both window managers installed; it's not a lot of extra space on my hard drive.

Fluxbox seems to have commands that Openbox doesn't though: for example, I haven't found a way in Openbox to toggle between two window sizes with the same key combination, as you can in Fluxbox;

ToggleCmd {Resize to 588 368} {Resize to 1176 385}.

Also, can you switch out from Openbox to another window manager without logging out first, as you can from Fluxbox with a command like this in the menu?

[restart] (fvwm2) {startfvwm2}

Thanks in advance,

CP .

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#8 2019-03-25 09:50:12

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Re: Hello everyone

It is easy to switch window sizes with 2 key combos, but to toggle sizes you would have to set the actions in a script.

Menu ->Help&Resources->Openbox->Openbox Website->Openbox Documentation
http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Actions

AFAIK you need to log out/in to switch WM's.

NB By default the window move is Alt-LMB, and window resize is Alt-RMB, but you can swap these in rc.xml if you want. The double-click action on the titlebar  can be changed in Preferences->Openbox->WM Preferences->Mouse


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#9 2019-03-27 22:54:33

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Re: Hello everyone

Hi damo,

I have found a way to switch window managers from the menu without logging out first. You can copy these lines into the menu.xml file (I got them from the menu file which Debian creates automatically when it installs Openbox);

  <menu id='/Debian/Window Managers' label='Window Managers'>
    <item label='Ctwm'>
      <action name='Restart'><execute>ctwm</execute></action>
    </item>
    <item label='FluxBox'>
      <action name='Restart'><execute>/usr/bin/startfluxbox</execute></action>
    </item>
    <item label='FVWM'>
      <action name='Restart'><execute>/usr/bin/fvwm2</execute></action>
    </item>
    <item label='Openbox' icon='/usr/share/pixmaps/openbox.xpm'>
      <action name='Restart'><execute>/usr/bin/openbox</execute></action>
    </item>
  </menu>

I'll look at your instructions for how to toggle window sizes soon.

Best,

CP .

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#10 2019-03-27 22:59:36

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Re: Hello everyone

^ So you don't get off on the wrong foot, please use

[ code ]

tags for terminal output. I've edited your post wink


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#11 2019-03-27 23:34:17

Colonel Panic
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Re: Hello everyone

damo wrote:

^ So you don't get off on the wrong foot, please use

[ code ]

tags for terminal output. I've edited your post wink

Thanks for pointing that out damo, and I will in future; sorry for the inconvenience.

Best,

CP .

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#12 2019-03-28 00:28:22

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Re: Hello everyone

Nice tip BTW - why not put it in Scripts, Tutorials & Tips?


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#13 2019-03-29 00:00:54

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Re: Hello everyone

Thanks, I probably will when I've got a bit more time.

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