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#26 2018-09-08 09:25:30

Hyacinth
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Re: Linux Smartphones

Perhaps in the future one can use Anbox (I think it’s called) to run Android apps in a container, so you can use WhatsApp on the phone as well! But I think most people who have a need for that will keep an extra phone or tablet to the side to run those specific apps, just like lots of people who use Linux on their computer also keep Windows somewhere in case they need it for some special software.

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#27 2018-09-08 12:17:19

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Re: Linux Smartphones

Hyacinth wrote:

Perhaps in the future one can use Anbox (I think it’s called) to run Android apps

Thank you .. Appreciate the help .. but I personally don't use WhatsApp .. been about 4 years since I used it .. I currently use iMessage, I have however installed (and have had my family install) Telegram after learning of it on this thread and reading about it on Telegram's website

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#28 2018-09-08 13:45:12

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Re: Linux Smartphones

Telegram is not the most secure messaging service I really do not understand why it has such a following it is not even fully open source. Signal seems to have lost credibility for remaining non federated and Wire seems to be generally accepted as more secure and is open source. Matrix (Riot) is open but unless you run your own server you are using their server. XMPP with OMEMO is secure I ran it on a pi and an external server but getting friends and family to use it not so easy. Conversations is a great Android app for XMPP
https://www.xda-developers.com/conversa … p-android/
https://conversations.im/

I now use Wire (Swiss) great for messaging and video all encrypted. I also have been using Tutanota (German) for email for over three years. It is free but I pay for the service and use my own domain, they have just made it available from FDroid.
https://tutanota.com/

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#29 2018-09-08 14:48:11

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Re: Linux Smartphones

^titan - thank you will check those out

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#30 2018-09-12 16:48:19

glittersloth
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Re: Linux Smartphones

Still vaporware, and probably won't amount to much. Just posting for the sake of postery; https://embraceclarity.com/
I'm generally apprehensive of anything that markets itself around the term "decentralized", but I do like the idea of a typographic UI.

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#31 2018-09-13 05:19:20

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Re: Linux Smartphones

^ somehow the website does not work for me, even with all blocks disabled. no images, some text missing.
not a good sign.

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#32 2018-09-13 05:52:35

glittersloth
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Re: Linux Smartphones

^ LOL, so much for being decentralized.
Was viewing it on Safari (iOS) earlier when posted. Checking now on FF-ESR (Debian). Site loads fine if I allow the primary domain (obviously) and the two cloudfront requests.

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#33 2018-09-13 06:41:33

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Re: Linux Smartphones

^ ok now it worked.
this sometimes happens when javascript-laden sites do not consider people using noscript: even after allowing all scripts & reloading, somethign still won't work.
whatever.
all the right buzzwords, nothing concrete. let's wait a few years.

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#34 2018-09-15 08:02:50

Hyacinth
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Re: Linux Smartphones

Like titan, I have been using Wire too. For a long time, actually. It looks great, is open, and secure.

I don’t know anyone who uses telegram or signal. They require a phone number to use I think, which doesn’t seem like a very good idea from a security perspective. I don’t think security is the goal of telegram though. Because it’s not even open source! How can you have an independent audit then..

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#35 2018-09-19 02:59:44

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Re: Linux Smartphones

You might want to take a look at this Gemini Phone

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#36 2018-09-19 04:36:03

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^ same price as the librem 5.
interesting; i think i can see a trend developing here.

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#37 2018-09-19 04:50:10

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Re: Linux Smartphones

^yes but it is designed to dual boot Linux with Android ... Linux is optional if I read the details correctly

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#38 2018-10-04 18:37:58

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Re: Linux Smartphones

Re Fairphone and LineageOS: My oldest niece has a Fairphone. She bought it used this spring and installed LineageOS. This is pretty impressive as she is not a techie kind of gal at all -- she asked around on fora and followed the instructions and advice she got and it worked.

For the benefit of this thread I asked her recently how it works -- now that she has some months of experience. She report back that it works OK. The only fly in the ointment is frequent re-boots.

/Martin


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#39 2018-10-05 05:23:46

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Re: Linux Smartphones

^ thanks for the positive contribution!

Martin wrote:

The only fly in the ointment is frequent re-boots.

frequent reboots due to frequent updates (i can confirm that) or frequent random reboots (that would be bad)?

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#40 2018-10-05 06:00:10

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Re: Linux Smartphones

ohnonot wrote:

^ thanks for the positive contribution!

Martin wrote:

The only fly in the ointment is frequent re-boots.

frequent reboots due to frequent updates (i can confirm that) or frequent random reboots (that would be bad)?

The latter I think but I have to check -- which may take a while since I use email and that is not the no. 1 communications tool in her generation :-)
(Phoning her should work, though.)

/Martin
PS My Nokia 700 aqcuired the 'feature' of random if not frequent reboots after it received its last system up-date (several years ago now). It was ultra-stable before that so I can't help but suspect that Microsoft hoped that crippling it would make me buy a new Windows smart-phone.

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#41 2018-10-05 06:23:33

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Re: Linux Smartphones

Martin wrote:

The latter I think but I have to check -- which may take a while since I use email and that is not the no. 1 communications tool in her generation :-)
(Phoning her should work, though.)

a friend of mine told me she had big trouble with her FP2, to the point she decided to drop it completely and get a "normal" android phone instead.
iirc, it involved random reboots.
so it would be interesting to clarify!

PS My Nokia 700 aqcuired the 'feature' of random if not frequent reboots after it received its last system up-date (several years ago now). It was ultra-stable before that so I can't help but suspect that Microsoft hoped that crippling it would make me buy a new Windows smart-phone.

omg, are you still using that? i guess not.
i still have a similar model here. I love it, I will not throw it away. I still use it as an alarm clock.
Microsoft never touched this one. are you sure they updated the old, "real" nokia phones?
... smartphones used to be smaller, but also heavier. that one feels heavy. solid metal, kindof.

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#42 2018-10-05 20:13:20

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Re: Linux Smartphones

ohnonot wrote:
Martin wrote:

The latter I think but I have to check -- which may take a while since I use email and that is not the no. 1 communications tool in her generation :-)
(Phoning her should work, though.)

a friend of mine told me she had big trouble with her FP2, to the point she decided to drop it completely and get a "normal" android phone instead.
iirc, it involved random reboots.
so it would be interesting to clarify!

PS My Nokia 700 aqcuired the 'feature' of random if not frequent reboots after it received its last system up-date (several years ago now). It was ultra-stable before that so I can't help but suspect that Microsoft hoped that crippling it would make me buy a new Windows smart-phone.

omg, are you still using that? i guess not.
i still have a similar model here. I love it, I will not throw it away. I still use it as an alarm clock.
Microsoft never touched this one. are you sure they updated the old, "real" nokia phones?
... smartphones used to be smaller, but also heavier. that one feels heavy. solid metal, kindof.

Regarding Fairphone reboots: It happend several times a day I am told in today's email.

Regarding Nokia 700: Yes, I still use it and it suits my needs better than any modern smartphone does. I don't do Facebook, Snapchat or... and have very little urge to surf on the go. It is very easy to switch between dumb phone mode and smart phone mode when I feel like checking out the weather forecast or my email account so the 700 stays in dumb phone mode pretty much all the time and the battery lasts a week.

Yes I am sure of having received system updates after Microsoft aqcuired control over Nokia Phones. The first two or three were great. The system got snappier and more polished. One of them even had a noticeable, positiv effect on battery life. The last one is another story altogether. Not only did it introduce those reboots. It also made the phone enable data traffic just after midnight on the first of each month -- it 'calls home'. It didn't do that before that update.

I will miss it when it goes.

/Martin (who wrote a longer, more detailed reply, got distracted and timed out... And, yes, I have an Android phone at work so I know what that's like.)


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#43 2018-10-06 06:39:02

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Re: Linux Smartphones

Martin wrote:

Regarding Fairphone reboots: It happend several times a day I am told in today's email.

that ties in with what i heard.
i guess i'm glad i didn't get one after all.

Regarding Nokia 700: Yes, I still use it

respect! HatTipSmileyAnim.gif

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#44 2019-10-05 10:11:54

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Re: Linux Smartphones

ohnonot wrote:
ohnonot wrote:

OTOH, I might place a bid on an N9 with MeeGo, the best thing Nokia did shortly before getting the Kiss Of Death from Microsoft...

I got lucky, there wasn't much bidding and I got it for 23€!
So now I'm proud owner of a piece of mobile telephony history from 2011, Nokia's very last creation before it essentially became Microsoft.
Manufactured in Finland, F*ck yeah!

And a real GNU/Linux system.

Now let's see what I can do with it...

...quite a lot it turns out.
This phone is very hackable.
I know managed to dual boot Maemo Leste on it; unfortunately that's pretty much unusable. Something about screen rotation, but also dead slow, I suspect GPU accelaration isn't working at all...
Next I'll try Devuan for the N9.
It's also possible to boot Postmarket OS on the N9.
But all in all, the devs seem to be concentrating on the N900 much more, that's why I bought one of those, too wink I'm hooked now!

Still, the N9 seems to be the (much) better device (apart from the lack of a physical keyboard), and also MeeGo Harmattan is a really nice operating system; if an improved, up-to-date version of that does not exist, I might try myself to upgrade the system as far as possible - at least to make it safe enough to use it for internet stuff.
It's essentially Debian.

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#45 2019-10-05 10:42:19

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Re: Linux Smartphones

Updated news on my on Nokia 700 and my niece's  Fairphone:

* My 700 is still going strong. A month ago I traded in my almost 20 year old Honda for a 2 year old car and found my 700 happily connects to the new car via Bluetooth. This is quite a transition for me as the old ride had a cassette player while the new one is a multimedia computer on wheels.

* The Fairphone is on its way out (may be gone already). Too many problems due to its modularity. All those connectors are not good for HW reliability and in the end it was almost impossible to make calls as the microphone didn't work.

/Martin

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#46 2019-10-07 08:28:37

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Re: Linux Smartphones

Devuan for the N9 isn't much better.
I also tried an old Sailfish OS version; it runs well enough, butis almost as old as the N9's MeeGo Hramattan itself, so why bother...
Currently I'm hoping to hack the original OS into a usable & reasonably safe state.
Hacking is possible in a very familiar Linux way!
Huge thanks go to the folks at maemo.org, there's a great Wiki that is still being updated, and a forum that is still active.

Now waiting for my N900 to arrive, let's see how that goes. AFAIU, Maemo Leste should be running much better on that.

edit:
My blog posts on the topic.

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#47 2019-10-07 12:49:20

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Re: Linux Smartphones

@ohnonot I'd be interested in your thoughts on Ubuntu Touch, if you've looked into it: https://ubuntu-touch.io/features - it is being actively developed and is Android free unless I'm missing something. It doesn't work on many recent devices though.

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#48 2019-10-09 06:42:45

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Re: Linux Smartphones

Jimbo_G wrote:

@ohnonot I'd be interested in your thoughts on Ubuntu Touch, if you've looked into it: https://ubuntu-touch.io/features - it is being actively developed and is Android free unless I'm missing something. It doesn't work on many recent devices though.

Clearly the devices I mentioned above are not supported by ubuntu touch.
Beyond that, have a look at ondoho's conversation with mark_alfred, starting here.

Currently awaiting my N900, which should be more hackable than the N9.

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