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#26 2015-10-17 11:37:09

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Re: Don't Break BunsenLabs?

ostrolek wrote:

I am not at all worried about breaking my install. I make sure it won't get broken by Apt in an upgrade situation. I simply block Apt access to certain apps. I also keep the control data in a file in Documents.

That's really silly.

The only upgrades Debian provides for stable are for bug fixes and security holes.

Not updating your system will leave it vulnerable.

Updating Debian stable is highly unlikely to break it -- I have nearly 4,000 posts on the Debian forums and in only one case has that happened (it was minor and fixed two days later).

The overwhelming majority of b0rked Debian stable systems are due to simple PEBKAC errors which are easily avoided by following the fine advice contained in the link in my signature.


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#27 2015-10-17 13:21:34

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Re: Don't Break BunsenLabs?

^ Debian system would get upgraded from time to time, and that system is quite minimal, the rest are apps that I had installed, from Xorg onwards; file managers, terminals, text editors, web browsers, multimedia, office apps etc. Even, if I uninstall all those apps, the system would still work.

Certain freely available other people's scripts are not installed, but the executable files and their helper files are pasted to the relevant directories, and those aren't going to get upgraded automatically. Even, if I delete these files, the system would still work.

HoaS, I think this thread should be closed.

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#28 2015-10-17 13:54:27

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Re: Don't Break BunsenLabs?

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HoaS, I think this thread should be closed.

You don't have to read it or post in it hmm


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#29 2015-10-17 16:06:21

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Re: Don't Break BunsenLabs?

ostrolek wrote:

HoaS, I think this thread should be closed.

Threads are only closed to prevent flame wars or if they have drifted too far off-topic to be useful.

If you encounter troubles with your current set up and decide to open a support thread here, be sure to detail your "technique" in the OP wink


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#30 2015-10-17 17:33:38

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Re: Don't Break BunsenLabs?

^ Do you think your Debian (or Arch) system is different from mine? Isn't the OS part just the minimal?

Coming back to the heading of this thread, "Don't Break BunsenLabs?", I said "Also, there is no way to break BunsenLabs as the Bunsen apps/debs/scripts could be troubled only by the maintainers of those, not Debian devs."

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#31 2015-10-17 17:49:43

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Re: Don't Break BunsenLabs?

Step 1: Install Debian, known for its stability and massive package selection.
Step 2: Ignore Debian's methods for maintaining stability while installing packages outside of Debian.
Step 3: Post on a Debian-based forum how what you've done is ideal for you.
Step 4: Suffer the slings and arrows.

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#32 2015-10-17 17:56:26

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Re: Don't Break BunsenLabs?

ostrolek wrote:

I said "Also, there is no way to break BunsenLabs as the Bunsen apps/debs/scripts could be troubled only by the maintainers of those, not Debian devs."

So basically your entire problem with the link in my signature is that it doesn't say "How not to break your BunsenLabs system"?

I suppose you may be correct; I thought it was obvious that the link refers to actions that may break the *user's* system but perhaps I was wrong.


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#33 2015-10-17 18:02:53

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Re: Don't Break BunsenLabs?

^ There  you are!

Now we can close this tread.

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#34 2015-10-17 18:04:10

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Re: Don't Break BunsenLabs?

ostrolek wrote:

Now we can close this tread.

I wrote:

Threads are only closed to prevent flame wars or if they have drifted too far off-topic to be useful.

wink

EDIT: I suppose you could mark it as [SOLVED] if you consider this issue to be resolved.

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#35 2015-10-17 18:04:25

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Re: Don't Break BunsenLabs?

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I thought it was obvious that the link refers to actions that may break the *user's* system...

It is, ostrolek's just playing semantics games, as I said in my first post. I'm pretty sure he's aware of it too, but whatever.

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#36 2015-10-17 18:48:31

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Re: Don't Break BunsenLabs?

hhh wrote:

Step 1: Install Debian, known for its stability and massive package selection.
Step 2: Ignore Debian's methods for maintaining stability while installing packages outside of Debian.
Step 3: Post on a Debian-based forum how what you've done is ideal for you.
Step 4: Suffer the slings and arrows.

it certainly isn't boring.
and it's a way to bring your postcount up devil

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#37 2015-10-17 19:10:33

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Re: Don't Break BunsenLabs?

I read Head_on_a_Stick's Don't Break BunsenLabs and thought it was very good advice.

And according to ostrolek not only is Don't Break BunsenLabs wrong but also the link it points to: "Don't Break Debian" has to be wrong too since Bunsen is Debian.  BUT it's OK to do do this, which is addressed in Don't Break BunsenLabs as Point #5.

Guess I'll have to find a new thread for my daily chuckle as this is now Solved.


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#38 2015-10-17 19:41:58

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Re: Don't Break BunsenLabs?

^ https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 3072#p3072
I only suggested that I might start a thread, but I never did.

When I am suddenly the OP, its not nice to not to comment. And, this is the Off Topic thread.

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#39 2015-10-17 20:21:39

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Re: Don't Break BunsenLabs?

Fine, I'll close this.

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