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#3926 2021-07-28 06:39:02

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

eight.bit.al wrote:

big_smile
Teal and Orange


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#3927 2021-07-28 13:16:33

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

We fed the cat once and she brought cubs with her.
Those were a bit wild since didn't have contact with humans before.
But we got along well very fast.
https://i.imgur.com/PTNpAeh.jpgPTNpAeht.jpg
Kitty cats enjoy my little niece's little house. https://i.imgur.com/pE45mqP.jpg


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#3928 2021-07-28 14:09:32

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

misko_2083 wrote:

We fed the cat once and she brought cubs with her.
Those were a bit wild since didn't have contact with humans before.
But we got along well very fast.
https://i.imgur.com/PTNpAeh.jpghttps:// … NpAeht.jpg
Kitty cats enjoy my little niece's little house. https://i.imgur.com/pE45mqPt.jpg

Eyebleach in these troubled times. Content housecat is content here as well.

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#3929 2021-07-28 17:05:30

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

ohnonot wrote:
eight.bit.al wrote:

big_smile
Teal and Orange

If your skin is that orange you are in the late stages of cirrhosis of the liver.

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#3930 2021-07-28 18:26:15

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

twoion wrote:

Eyebleach in these troubled times. Content housecat is content here as well.

Indeed. Especially watching three of them run and play.
They attack this decorative tree with purple leaves that grows ut to knees. The tree may not survive but it's fun seeing them destroy it.
Most of the day the cats rest in the shade. It's very hot outside. In the Sun it feels like 50, in the shade 38 degrees Celsius.

jeffreyC wrote:
ohnonot wrote:
eight.bit.al wrote:

big_smile
Teal and Orange

If your skin is that orange you are in the late stages of cirrhosis of the liver.

Could be a skin condition that people get when eating 10 carrots a day for several weeks. Having too much beta-carrotine in the blood stream can paint the skin orange.
Maybe the spice has too much beta-carrotine, ingredient which painted the skin of the inhabitants of the planet.

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#3931 2021-07-29 14:23:00

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

jeffreyC wrote:
ohnonot wrote:
eight.bit.al wrote:

big_smile
Teal and Orange

If your skin is that orange you are in the late stages of cirrhosis of the liver.

Or you just spend too much time networking* at a pompous country club while playing that non-sport** under the sun.

* Really just a weasel-word for "let's discuss more ways we can exploit the poor".
** Yes, golf is not a sport (and neither is cricket).

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#3932 2021-07-30 20:18:58

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

People we, well mostly malm, made this pseudo transparent menu with a blurred background and ran out of ideas what to do with it. https://github.com/Misko-2083/blurmenu
What it does is:
- Fetches a screenshot of the root window
- Blurrs the image with a very fast blurr algorithm
- Draws the blurred image on a cairo surface of the menu
I'm not sure how far did malm go with implementing this method into jgmenu.
Do you have any ideas what to do with this menu?
What kind of menu can it be?
4 months have passed without ideas.


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#3933 2021-07-31 05:01:42

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

^Post this in the Dev forum, instead of Off Topic?

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#3934 2021-07-31 13:16:06

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

Found an old hard disk (see that it still is ext3 big_smile). Hope it's just the external enclosure and/or the USB cable that's failing...will be interesting to see if I can extract all the data from this. Next step is tearing down the enclosure and retry with a different USB<>SATA bridge...problematic is only the power draw; this is a 3.5" drive so I have to get the power from somewhere else. I haven't had a desktop PC in 20 years so no PC power supply in reach as well. Maybe I have to buy one.

[  374.072521] scsi 3:0:0:0: Direct-Access     Hitachi  HDP725050GLA360  A5CA PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 CCS
[  374.073732] sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
[  374.076589] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] 976773168 512-byte logical blocks: (500 GB/466 GiB)
[  374.077743] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[  374.077747] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 38 00 00
[  374.079123] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed
[  374.079127] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[  374.193074]  sdb: sdb1 sdb3 < sdb5 sdb6 sdb7 >
[  374.254712] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk
[  392.799901] EXT4-fs (sdb6): mounting ext3 file system using the ext4 subsystem
[  392.815787] EXT4-fs (sdb6): warning: checktime reached, running e2fsck is recommended
[  393.085242] EXT4-fs (sdb6): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null). Quota mode: none.
[  394.170261] e1000: ens33 NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: None
[  394.246068] e1000: ens33 NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: None
[  401.408365] usb 3-2: USB disconnect, device number 10
[  401.408751] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 FAILED Result: hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_OK cmd_age=0s
[  401.408755] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 CDB: Read(10) 28 00 19 bf 61 ef 00 00 30 00
[  401.408757] print_req_error: 26 callbacks suppressed
[  401.408758] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 431972847 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x80700 phys_seg 6 prio class 0
[  401.408788] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 493048551 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x80700 phys_seg 2 prio class 0
[  401.409034] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 583749276 op 0x1:(WRITE) flags 0x4800 phys_seg 240 prio class 0
[  401.409038] buffer_io_error: 19 callbacks suppressed
[  401.409039] Buffer I/O error on dev sdb5, logical block 6228528, lost async page write
[  401.409042] Buffer I/O error on dev sdb5, logical block 6228529, lost async page write
[  401.409043] Buffer I/O error on dev sdb5, logical block 6228530, lost async page write
[  401.409044] Buffer I/O error on dev sdb5, logical block 6228531, lost async page write
[  401.409045] Buffer I/O error on dev sdb5, logical block 6228532, lost async page write
[  401.409046] Buffer I/O error on dev sdb5, logical block 6228533, lost async page write
[  401.409047] Buffer I/O error on dev sdb5, logical block 6228534, lost async page write
[  401.409048] Buffer I/O error on dev sdb5, logical block 6228535, lost async page write
[  401.409051] Buffer I/O error on dev sdb5, logical block 6228536, lost async page write
[  401.409052] Buffer I/O error on dev sdb5, logical block 6228537, lost async page write
[  401.409113] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 583749516 op 0x1:(WRITE) flags 0x4800 phys_seg 240 prio class 0
[  401.409178] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 432234991 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x80700 phys_seg 2 prio class 0
[  401.409192] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 431972847 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x0 phys_seg 1 prio class 0
[  401.409408] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 583749756 op 0x1:(WRITE) flags 0x4800 phys_seg 240 prio class 0
[  401.409496] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 583749996 op 0x1:(WRITE) flags 0x4800 phys_seg 240 prio class 0
[  401.409924] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 493048303 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x3000 phys_seg 1 prio class 0
[  401.409935] EXT4-fs error (device sdb6): __ext4_get_inode_loc_noinmem:4444: inode #3760129: block 15040514: comm QThread: unable to read itable block
[  401.410116] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 464530375 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x3000 phys_seg 1 prio class 0
[  401.410151] EXT4-fs warning (device sdb6): htree_dirblock_to_tree:1027: inode #2818493: lblock 0: comm QThread: error -5 reading directory block
[  401.411138] EXT4-fs error (device sdb6): __ext4_get_inode_loc_noinmem:4444: inode #2261641: block 9044010: comm QThread: unable to read itable block
[  401.411752] EXT4-fs warning (device sdb6): htree_dirblock_to_tree:1027: inode #2818483: lblock 0: comm QThread: error -5 reading directory block
[  401.411881] EXT4-fs warning (device sdb6): htree_dirblock_to_tree:1027: inode #2827561: lblock 0: comm QThread: error -5 reading directory block
[  401.413020] EXT4-fs warning (device sdb6): htree_dirblock_to_tree:1027: inode #2818050: lblock 0: comm QThread: error -5 reading directory block
[  401.413360] EXT4-fs error (device sdb6): __ext4_get_inode_loc_noinmem:4444: inode #3711001: block 14843907: comm QThread: unable to read itable block
[  401.413875] EXT4-fs warning (device sdb6): htree_dirblock_to_tree:1027: inode #3743767: lblock 0: comm QThread: error -5 reading directory block
[  401.413951] EXT4-fs warning (device sdb6): htree_dirblock_to_tree:1027: inode #2818494: lblock 0: comm QThread: error -5 reading directory block
[  401.414399] EXT4-fs warning (device sdb6): htree_dirblock_to_tree:1027: inode #2843821: lblock 0: comm QThread: error -5 reading directory block
[  401.414991] EXT4-fs error (device sdb6): __ext4_get_inode_loc_noinmem:4444: inode #3752607: block 15007787: comm QThread: unable to read itable block
[  401.415870] EXT4-fs error (device sdb6): __ext4_get_inode_loc_noinmem:4444: inode #3645543: block 14581768: comm QThread: unable to read itable block
[  401.417896] EXT4-fs warning (device sdb6): htree_dirblock_to_tree:1027: inode #2859370: lblock 0: comm QThread: error -5 reading directory block
[  401.418003] EXT4-fs warning (device sdb6): htree_dirblock_to_tree:1027: inode #2818523: lblock 0: comm QThread: error -5 reading directory block
[  401.419827] EXT4-fs error (device sdb6): __ext4_get_inode_loc_noinmem:4444: inode #4366337: block 17465346: comm QThread: unable to read itable block
[  401.421132] EXT4-fs warning (device sdb6): htree_dirblock_to_tree:1027: inode #5021748: lblock 0: comm QThread: error -5 reading directory block
[  401.421666] EXT4-fs error (device sdb6): __ext4_get_inode_loc_noinmem:4444: inode #5031578: block 20119659: comm QThread: unable to read itable block
[  401.422111] EXT4-fs error (device sdb6): __ext4_get_inode_loc_noinmem:4444: inode #5030583: block 20119597: comm QThread: unable to read itable block
[  401.423280] EXT4-fs error (device sdb6): __ext4_get_inode_loc_noinmem:4444: inode #5030339: block 20119582: comm QThread: unable to read itable block
[  401.424332] EXT4-fs error (device sdb6): __ext4_get_inode_loc_noinmem:4444: inode #5023715: block 20086912: comm QThread: unable to read itable block
[  401.505757] Aborting journal on device sdb6-8.
[  401.505776] JBD2: Error -5 detected when updating journal superblock for sdb6-8.
[  401.518172] JBD2: Error while async write back metadata bh 1027.
[  401.518287] JBD2: Error while async write back metadata bh 3276802.
[  401.518323] JBD2: Error while async write back metadata bh 3604482.
[  401.518379] JBD2: Error while async write back metadata bh 4227074.
[  401.518778] JBD2: Error while async write back metadata bh 8060930.
[  401.518783] JBD2: Error while async write back metadata bh 8060931.
[  401.518786] JBD2: Error while async write back metadata bh 8060932.
[  401.518788] JBD2: Error while async write back metadata bh 8060933.
[  401.518791] JBD2: Error while async write back metadata bh 8060935.
[  401.518797] JBD2: Error while async write back metadata bh 8060937.
[  401.518799] JBD2: Error while async write back metadata bh 8060938.
[  401.518801] JBD2: Error while async write back metadata bh 8060939.
[  401.519025] JBD2: Error while async write back metadata bh 11272213.
[  401.519405] JBD2: Error while async write back metadata bh 13041666.
[  401.520020] JBD2: Error while async write back metadata bh 19398662.
[  401.525868] EXT4-fs (sdb6): I/O error while writing superblock
[  401.525911] EXT4-fs (sdb6): I/O error while writing superblock
[  401.525953] EXT4-fs (sdb6): I/O error while writing superblock
[  401.525991] EXT4-fs (sdb6): I/O error while writing superblock
[  401.526288] EXT4-fs (sdb6): I/O error while writing superblock

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#3935 2021-07-31 18:54:11

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

twoion wrote:

Found an old hard disk (see that it still is ext3 big_smile). Hope it's just the external enclosure and/or the USB cable that's failing...will be interesting to see if I can extract all the data from this. Next step is tearing down the enclosure and retry with a different USB<>SATA bridge...problematic is only the power draw; this is a 3.5" drive so I have to get the power from somewhere else. I haven't had a desktop PC in 20 years so no PC power supply in reach as well. Maybe I have to buy one.

WOW!!!!  any idea at all what is on it?

What about buying an OLD PC from a "used a bit" shop?


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#3936 2021-08-04 18:23:04

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

johnraff wrote:
twoion wrote:

...my ISP's crappy router...

Reading this discussion with interest because my (recent) ISP's router is pretty bad too. WIFI hardly reaches to the next room, and if I change too many settings it sulks and has to be reset. neutral
Cannot be dumped though because it's also the modem, so I'm now planning to switch off WIFI and plug a real router of some kind into a single LAN outlet...

(Respect to the people who understand networking.)

I've now set up a UAC-AC-LITE for the 5Ghz network (2.4Ghz is for technically obsolete devices only smile)

The device comes as the access point and a PoE injector in the box. You need two network cables if you use that solution injector<>outlet and injector<>AP.

Works nicely and performantly. I've set it up using the Android app for now. I'll be testing what capabilities this thing has over SSH (if any) next. Neat & powerful little device. You can turn off the blue LED btw.

35tymc.thumb.jpg

Note that the Ubiquity access points unto themselves are NOT routers. They extend the switched ethernet segment you plug them into, that is, if you want to use them with the ISP's modem etc the modem needs to have a physical LAN port as well (should be pretty standard though). Though Ubiquity also has router solutions.

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#3937 2021-08-04 20:23:52

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

^ Screw it, more time to spend on a hobby smile Just ssh into the device using the user and password you configured in the app smile

$ uname -a
Linux UAP-AC-Lite 4.4.153 #0 Thu Aug 30 12:10:54 2018 mips GNU/Linux

Ah, the joys of embedded Linux. Greetings to Android... This is what it's running. The platform is well known:

UAP-AC-Lite-BZ.5.43.38# cat /etc/os-release
NAME="LEDE"
VERSION="17.01.6, Reboot"
ID="lede"
ID_LIKE="lede openwrt"
PRETTY_NAME="LEDE Reboot 17.01.6"
VERSION_ID="17.01.6"
HOME_URL="http://lede-project.org/"
BUG_URL="http://bugs.lede-project.org/"
SUPPORT_URL="http://forum.lede-project.org/"
BUILD_ID="r3979-2252731af4"
LEDE_BOARD="ar71xx/ubnt"
LEDE_ARCH="mips_24kc"
LEDE_TAINTS="no-all mklibs busybox"
LEDE_DEVICE_MANUFACTURER="LEDE"
LEDE_DEVICE_MANUFACTURER_URL="http://lede-project.org/"
LEDE_DEVICE_PRODUCT="Generic"
LEDE_DEVICE_REVISION="v0"
LEDE_RELEASE="LEDE Reboot 17.01.6 r3979-2252731af4"
UAP-AC-Lite-BZ.5.43.38# ps
  PID USER       VSZ STAT COMMAND
    1 ubnt      1516 S    /sbin/procd
    2 ubnt         0 SW   [kthreadd]
    3 ubnt         0 SW   [ksoftirqd/0]
    5 ubnt         0 SW<  [kworker/0:0H]
    6 ubnt         0 SW   [kworker/u2:0]
   35 ubnt         0 SW   [kworker/u2:2]
   80 ubnt         0 SW<  [writeback]
   81 ubnt         0 SW<  [crypto]
   83 ubnt         0 SW<  [bioset]
   84 ubnt         0 SW<  [kblockd]
  120 ubnt         0 SW   [kswapd0]
  171 ubnt         0 SW   [fsnotify_mark]
  180 ubnt         0 SW   [spi0]
  197 ubnt         0 SW<  [bioset]
  202 ubnt         0 SW<  [bioset]
  207 ubnt         0 SW<  [bioset]
  212 ubnt         0 SW<  [bioset]
  217 ubnt         0 SW<  [bioset]
  222 ubnt         0 SW<  [bioset]
  227 ubnt         0 SW<  [bioset]
  256 ubnt         0 SW<  [ipv6_addrconf]
  263 ubnt         0 SW<  [deferwq]
  451 ubnt      1204 S    /sbin/ubusd
  453 ubnt       916 S    /sbin/askfirst /bin/login
  488 ubnt         0 SW   [kworker/0:2]
 2706 ubnt      5692 S    /usr/bin/reset-handler
 2791 ubnt         0 SW   [ath-hwrng]
 2812 ubnt         0 SW<  [alloc_task_wque]
 2836 ubnt      8628 S    /sbin/ubntevent
 3236 ubnt      1228 S    /sbin/udhcpc -f -i br0 -V ubnt -A 10 -s /etc/udhcpc/udhcpc -p /var/run/udhcpc.br0.pid -h UAP-AC-Lite
 3239 ubnt      9796 S    /sbin/sysmon
 3240 ubnt      1696 S    /sbin/logd -S 200
 3241 ubnt      2624 S    /sbin/logread -f -F /var/log/messages -S 200 -p /var/run/logread.1.pid
 3242 ubnt      5832 S    /usr/bin/mcad
 3243 ubnt      5712 S    /usr/bin/mca-monitor
 3245 ubnt      5588 S    /bin/stamgr -i 1 -c 30 -K
 3246 ubnt      8616 S    /sbin/utermd
 3248 ubnt      8644 S    /sbin/stahtd
 3250 ubnt      6700 S    /usr/sbin/hostapd -d -s /etc/aaa3.cfg
 3251 ubnt      1252 S    /usr/sbin/lldpd -d -M4 -O /etc/lldpd.conf
 3252 ubnt      5744 S    /usr/bin/uplink-monitor
 3543 ubnt         0 SW   [kworker/0:1]
 3675 ubnt      1152 S    /usr/sbin/dropbear -F -d /var/run/dropbear_dss_host_key -r /var/run/dropbear_rsa_host_key -p 22
 3844 ubnt      1232 S    -ash
 4078 ubnt       928 S    /usr/sbin/ntpclient -i 3600 -n -s -c 0 -l -h 0.ubnt.pool.ntp.org
 4079 ubnt      1084 S    /usr/sbin/dropbear -F -d /var/run/dropbear_dss_host_key -r /var/run/dropbear_rsa_host_key -p 22
 4080 ubnt      8616 S    /sbin/wevent
 6045 ubnt         0 SW   [kworker/u2:1]
 6107 ubnt      1228 R    ps
29322 ubnt         0 SW   [kworker/0:0]

Leeching off of the Ubuntu NTP pool. Using venedrable hostapd to drive the access point!

The device has multiple wifi interfaces, for 2Ghz and 5Ghz WIFI I think.

UAP-AC-Lite-BZ.5.43.38# ip link
1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,ALLMULTI,PROMISC,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast master br0 state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
    link/ether f4:92:bf:0b:cd:d8 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
3: teql0: <NOARP> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 100
    link/void
4: wifi0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 539
    link/ieee802.11 f4:92:bf:0c:cd:d8 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
5: wifi1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 539
    link/ieee802.11 f4:92:bf:0d:cd:d8 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
7: ath1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,ALLMULTI,PROMISC> mtu 1500 qdisc noop master br0 state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default
    link/ether f4:92:bf:0d:cd:d8 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
8: br0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,ALLMULTI,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
    link/ether f4:92:bf:0b:cd:d8 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
9: ath2: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,ALLMULTI,PROMISC,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master br0 state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default
    link/ether fa:92:bf:0d:cd:d8 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff

Looking forward to poking around on this thing more later. Looks like they took lot of open source software, patched it if needed, added some nice hardware and just made it work (TM).

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#3938 2021-08-04 22:16:29

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

twoion wrote:

Works nicely and performantly..

OT

Not a word, officially.  smile  Had to look it up, as I do with words new to me. This seems to be the definitive page on the subject. The comments section is great, pushing both sides of the debate.

https://weblogs.asp.net/jongalloway/per … n-t-a-word

Against:

"Performant is *not* a word. As I type this, Firefox agrees and puts a red line under the non-word "performant."
If it's a word, it is only a weasel word. It means anything the speaker wants it to mean but does not commit the speaker to anything.

For example, if you call your software fast, critics can easily say, "No it isn't!" Calling it "performant" implies fast but doesn't technically mean anything. So critics have no good way to respond, while gullible listeners get the implication that the software is fast.
    Gary S. - Wednesday, May 6, 2009 7:10:39 AM

For:

Performant is a word. The reason is because it's used by a lot of people, and people know what you mean when you use it. The dictionaries will have have to catch up. If you think for a second it won't happen, think again. Mark my words -- in 10 years, it's in Webster's

It's also a word 'cause when I get the that red spelling-error line in Word, I right click on it and add it to the dictionary. smile
    Kenneth Kasajian - Monday, April 6, 2009 5:18:58 PM

He was wrong about the 10 years....

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#3939 2021-08-05 01:53:02

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^It's in the Cambridge dictionary already: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio … performant

We're in "off topic" so...
I personally hate new words that don't add a useful extension or new shade of meaning to something we have already. Current favourite hateword is "critique" used as a verb, meaning "criticize". Makes my teeth grate every time I see it used by someone who seems to want to sound erudite and academic. If there is a very specialized subtly different meaning of a word (mis)used this way I'm prepared to tolerate it, but that seldom seems to be the case in language you read IRL. This stuff often seems to come from sociologists, whose work then leaks into the language of a certain type of political activist, and starts pretending to be Real English.  mad

@twoion thanks for the update!

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#3940 2021-08-05 03:18:14

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johnraff wrote:

^It's in the Cambridge dictionary already: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio … performant

We're in "off topic" so...
I personally hate new words that don't add a useful extension or new shade of meaning to something we have already. Current favourite hateword is "critique" used as a verb, meaning "criticize". Makes my teeth grate every time I see it used by someone who seems to want to sound erudite and academic. If there is a very specialized subtly different meaning of a word (mis)used this way I'm prepared to tolerate it, but that seldom seems to be the case in language you read IRL. This stuff often seems to come from sociologists, whose work then leaks into the language of a certain type of political activist, and starts pretending to be Real English.  mad

We can't win a fight against the sands of time.
We can only "critiqulise". big_smile

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#3941 2021-08-05 07:15:58

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the worst new word is "stakeholders"

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#3942 2021-08-05 07:36:13

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el_koraco wrote:

the worst new word is "stakeholders"

If I didn't knew what it means I swear I'd think it's either one of these:
1. A wooden stake for meat
2. A breed of dog
"Here boy, hold my stake while I grab my coat."
3. Some weird job at the restaurant that involves holding stakes


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#3943 2021-08-05 08:57:44

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eight.bit.al wrote:
twoion wrote:

Works nicely and performantly..

OT

Not a word, officially.  smile  Had to look it up, as I do with words new to me. This seems to be the definitive page on the subject. The comments section is great, pushing both sides of the debate.

https://weblogs.asp.net/jongalloway/per … n-t-a-word

Well I can tell you exactly where I'm coming from.

In German we borrow a lot of words from the French language.

performant (as [pɛʀfɔʀmɑ̃]) is a perfectly fine French adjective with an obvious meaning. In German, we even use it as-is performant as an adjective.

So the idea was: if English has "performance" (= borrowed from French "la performance", the noun), why shouldn't it also have "performant" (= from the adjective)? Then we could happily make an adverb out of it.

*silence in the audience*

English people seem to somehow have decided that "performant" was simply un-English. Better use "performing well". Why they did not take 2 when they already had taken the one, I do not know.

I learned my lesson, I take my hat, I will not force the English to speak French anymore tongue BTW this is also my approach to languages, extrapolate from what I know. Works until it doesn't. When I took the TOEFL test in 2018 (score: 116/120 btw) what I got written up for was "unidiomatic use of English" in the written section. I guess that's what using "performantly" as a borrowed French adjective turned into an adverb ultimately is. Not wrong. Simply unidiomatic. Had I been a well known quirky pop literature author and put out a book that contained that word, you all would have not called it an un-word, but fa-shionable wink

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Hm, according to your anecdote, using French originals (critique) as a loan words in English is fashionable again...? I think it must be very calming then that you're at least not a native speaker of Japanese; otherwise, all the encounters with katakana combined would have given you a small heart attack by now smile

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#3944 2021-08-05 13:10:09

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In the books it can have all sorts of meanings.
Performant, good performant, bad performant, best performant, average performant, least performant, high performant, low performant, super performant, very performant.
How to distiguish it's meaning from noun peformative?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/performative
performative - constitutes the performance of the specified act by virtue of its utterance


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#3945 2021-08-05 13:31:53

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twoion wrote:

I learned my lesson,

I hope you weren't offended, was never my intent.

8bit


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eight.bit.al wrote:
twoion wrote:

I learned my lesson,

I hope you weren't offended, was never my intent.

8bit

Never! I wrote this in a merry kind of way.

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#3947 2021-08-06 02:37:25

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twoion wrote:

@johnraff
Hm, according to your anecdote, using French originals (critique) as a loan words in English is fashionable again...?

Never ceased to be fashionable, going back many centuries, as I'm sure you know. Since the Norman invasion we were ruled by a French-speaking upper class.

Critique as a noun I have no problems with whatsoever. It's the currently trendy eg "We must critique this suggestion from a politically correct perspective" (critique as verb) that I find hard to swallow.

I think it must be very calming then that you're at least not a native speaker of Japanese; otherwise, all the encounters with katakana combined would have given you a small heart attack by now smile

Not sure, but my impression is that Japanese are totally OK with all those katakana loanwords. Very few of them pause to consider if the meaning bears any relation to that of the original word. It's us speakers of the source languages that get freaked out by the way meanings are twisted:
ethnic エスニック = S.E. Asian cooking
folk lore フォルクローレ = S American folk music, esp. Peru and Bolivia

and, for you:
arbeit アルバイト = part-time work

Actually, more than that, what gets to me lately is the (what seems to be) willful changing of the stressed syllable in English words
waSHINGton
...and many more.

But it's their language, I'll keep my real invective for the degeneration of my own, which I love.

BTW aren't stakeholders from Transsylvania? yikes


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#3948 2021-08-06 07:51:12

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johnraff wrote:

Critique as a noun I have no problems with whatsoever. It's the currently trendy eg "We must critique this suggestion from a politically correct perspective" (critique as verb) that I find hard to swallow.

It does sound like Tarzan English.
Which I often practice myself. big_smile

Maybe it needs a new verb? If they can do it so can we.
"to critiquequlize" sounds good with espeak big_smile
When critiquequalisation happens one simply must critiquequlize. LoL

"We must critique this suggestion from a politically correct perspective"
That is what Nazis thought before they started burning books.
Or when they didn't like the fact that some Eastern Germans decended from Slavs
and decided the archeological findings in the East are now Viking settlements.
It's a scary thought that some people still want to overide the scientific facts and common sense.


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#3949 2021-08-06 08:41:45

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misko_2083 wrote:

"to critiquequlize" sounds good with espeak big_smile

Confirmed.


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johnraff wrote:
misko_2083 wrote:

"to critiquequlize" sounds good with espeak big_smile

Confirmed.

Someone is going to take my jokes seriously one day
and half of England is going to hate me for inventing a new word. big_smile


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