Proposal for updating BL Forums Rules

rbh · 2021-04-05 21:11:01

Note, the proposal has been edited since its original posting, as good suggestions ben added. /rbh

Hi!

I propose following updates for BL Forum Rules

Add a new header Help Guide.

Under heading General guidelines, change
"If you are seeking help, make sure to have done your fair share of homework to the best of your ability by searching the forums or the internet before wasting other's time."

To:
If you are seeking help through our forums, always make sure to have done your fair share of homework by reading the Bunsen Labs Help Guide, and by searching the forums and other internet resources before posting your question. Please be considerate of other's time.

Help Guide

Please seek a solution yourself by researching in the BL Forums/Homepage and Internet. Quite possibly the issue you are experiencing has already been posted and it is more than likely there will be a solution.

When asking for help, do not jump to premature conclusions and phrase a biased question. Write what you want to achieve and how you intend to approach the problem. There might be beter solutions than the one you are chasing.

Please use appropriate post titles. Choosing an accurate, descriptive and appropriate post title will attract solutions effectively and help other users, when utilizing the forum search feature, to find a solution.
Good Post Titles: “recent problems with ata1 - exception Emask 0x10”, “/dev/snd/* permissions problem”
Bad Post Titles: “Help!!!”, “Noob question!”, “Almost there”

Please provide details of your problem and your system. Terminal tools like "inxi -Fxrzm" (run as root, to get verbose memmory info), "lsusb" and "lspci", gives usefull information of your harware. Hw-probe (see https://linux-hardware.org/?view=howto) is another good tool, alongside the hardware database.
When having problem with graphical program, starting them from a terminal, gives usefull informtion.

Please use [ code ][ /code ] tags when pasting console snippets and logs.
For non-English locale users: Please prepend LC_ALL=C to posted commands so the output will be in English.
Use Imgur or other image hosting service for big pictures.

Some programs might have own logging function, else logs is saved in /var/log/. Terminal command dmesg and journalctl, is other good tools to retrive log information.

More reading about the art of questioning:
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

When a solution is found, mark your thread as solved. Edit your first post in the thread, add [SOLVED] before the title. It helps other seeking working help.

Last edited by rbh (2021-04-08 20:26:00)

jeffreyC · 2021-04-05 21:26:40

I would suggest "inxi -Fxrz" with the output between code tags.

rbh · 2021-04-05 21:32:58

jeffreyC wrote:

I would suggest "inxi -Fxrz" with the output between code tags.

Agree, changed.

DeepDayze · 2021-04-06 02:23:31

To clarify when a problem is solved the user who made the thread can edit the title of the first post and putting [SOLVED] before the title and saving change.

rbh · 2021-04-06 08:08:16

DeepDayze wrote:

To clarify when a problem is solved the user who made the thread can edit the title of the first post and putting [SOLVED] before the title and saving change.

Yes, you are so right. Fixing that to.

johnraff · 2021-04-08 05:23:05

@rbh many thanks for this. cool
The mods like the idea, and are likely (unless a different idea comes up) going to put your Help Guide as a sticky topic at the top of "Basic Help & Support", with a link from The Rules.

sleekmason · 2021-04-08 11:51:51

Would recommend losing "wasting other's time" to "posting here in the forums" or just "posting"

Is our intent to tell people that no matter what, they will be "wasting someone's time"? Gives the notion that it would better to just not post here. Other than that, looks good:)

rbh · 2021-04-08 15:01:45

sleekmason wrote:

Would recommend losing "wasting other's time" to "posting here in the forums" or just "posting"
Is our intent to tell people that no matter what, they will be "wasting someone's time"? Gives the notion that it would better to just not post here. Other than that, looks good:)

Under General Guidelines, it says now: "If you are seeking help, make sure to have done your fair share of homework to the best of your ability by searching the forums or the internet before wasting other's time."

If you are asking, basic questions, that is well documented, I and the moderators think that is to waste others time. I think so,but can not ignore the question and offer from my time and anser those questions, hoping that the member would learn the basics.
If you have tried to find a solution and ask, you don't waste others time.

I want the information how to ask for help, beeing easy avaliable. It is not now.

sleekmason · 2021-04-08 15:20:07

rbh wrote:

sleekmason wrote:
Would recommend losing "wasting other's time" to "posting here in the forums" or just "posting"
Is our intent to tell people that no matter what, they will be "wasting someone's time"? Gives the notion that it would better to just not post here. Other than that, looks good:)
Under General Guidelines, it says now: "If you are seeking help, make sure to have done your fair share of homework to the best of your ability by searching the forums or the internet before wasting other's time."
If you are asking, basic questions, that is well documented, I and the moderators think that is to waste others time. I think so,but can not ignore the question and offer from my time and anser those questions, hoping that the member would learn the basics.
If you have tried to find a solution and ask, you don't waste others time.
I want the information how to ask for help, beeing easy avaliable. It is not now.

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I also agree that it is "wasting other's time" lol. That is not my argument.

I would just phrase things in such a way as to attract forum use for those that need it or want to contribute, rather than imply that no matter what, you will be "wasting other's time" by asking a question in the Bunsenlab forums. The wording just seems harsh to me, but as you wish.

rbh · 2021-04-08 15:26:40

sleekmason wrote:

I would just phrase things in such a way as to attract forum use for those that need it or want to contribute, rather than imply that no matter what, you will be "wasting other's time" by asking a question in the Bunsenlab forums. The wording just seems harsh to me, but as you wish.

If you can contribute with a complete sentence, I can taste, I might change my mind, and even the moderators might like it...

sleekmason · 2021-04-08 15:51:08

rbh wrote:

sleekmason wrote:
I would just phrase things in such a way as to attract forum use for those that need it or want to contribute, rather than imply that no matter what, you will be "wasting other's time" by asking a question in the Bunsenlab forums. The wording just seems harsh to me, but as you wish.
If you can contribute with a complete sentence, I can taste, I might change my mind, and even the moderators might like it...

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"If you are seeking help through our forums, always make sure to have done your fair share of homework by reading the Bunsen Labs Help Guide, and by searching the forums and other internet resources before posting your question. Please be considerate of other's time."
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I would think something along these lines^^.

*Edit btw, glad you are back:) Just got my second shot and would tell you it is making things better, though don't know how. Been a long year:)

Last edited by sleekmason (2021-04-08 15:53:43)

eight.bit.al · 2021-04-08 15:52:51

^ +1

8bit

rbh · 2021-04-08 20:31:07

sleekmason wrote:

"If you are seeking help through our forums, always make sure to have done your fair share of homework by reading the Bunsen Labs Help Guide, and by searching the forums and other internet resources before posting your question. Please be considerate of other's time."

I bought that, without change! Edited the proposal accordingly.

*Edit btw, glad you are back:) Just got my second shot and would tell you it is making things better,

Good to be back. Hopefully I will get my first shot this month...

Last edited by rbh (2021-04-08 20:31:27)

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