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#3626 2020-12-20 06:38:33

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^about 0.6% in the UK, more like 0.1% in Japan.  sad


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#3627 2020-12-20 07:58:10

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^about 0.6% in the UK, more like 0.1% in Japan.  sad

I'm out of touch. The current savings account rate in the USA is .65% or less. I did way better playing the stock market.

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#3628 2020-12-20 08:10:04

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That's 1.2% more than we get over here.

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#3629 2020-12-20 08:14:33

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Buy Sony, it's still going up. Sell it in late February.

https://www.google.com/search?q=sne+sto … e&ie=UTF-8

You should have bought it in late July when it fell to $70. It's at $98 now.

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#3630 2020-12-20 11:40:17

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Martin wrote:

That's 1.2% more than we get over here.

/Martin

In Germany it's mostly like 0.00000001%, but that's just because banks' legacy backend software cannot handle 0%, so they set it to the number that's closest to zero...German IT, guys. Increasingly, especially at non-bank brokers, interest is -0.5% on deposits or on balances above 100.000€.


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#3631 2020-12-23 23:27:43

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Just watched a review of ArchLabs. Shout-out to @Dobbie for the third best thing to come from BL, after Lithium and the BL forums...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McWs_VSIRs4

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#3632 2021-01-10 18:27:27

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Wanna read some interesting stuff? https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-we … s-2021-fa/


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#3633 2021-01-10 19:18:44

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Fascinating, thanks smile  It was long,  but I certainly read it!


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#3634 2021-01-15 06:10:29

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Freelancers are now declared criminals in my country.
The crazy autocrat Aleksandar Vučić and his regime declared that people who
earn money on the internet are, as Vučić said, "a snake that needs to be stepped on a neck".
So the freelancers got a 50% taxes + interest which all sums up to 80% of what they earned in the last 5 years on the internet retroactively.
Yes, yes, retroactively!
There are 80.000 - 100.000 freelancers and the protests are announced for tomorrow.
You thought that IT experts can be free people in control of their own destiny.
"No, no, you gang of snakes!" - said the regime to the IT experts.
In this country you can only get a job over a political party that humiliates you to stick party posters on the streets,
go to their rallies and put their pictures on the profiles of the social media.
All of that to show how loyal you are to political party and it's leader.
Yes that kind of young people are needed in this country and not smart independant people that earn their bread.
Unfortunately the second are seen as a threat to the party in a fashion of George Orwell's 1984.
Or maybe even Huxley's "Brawe New World"!

The freelancers bring money into the county and the state brands them as criminals.
Most of freelancers don't earn much, 300-400 € monthly, which is enough to pay for the food and support their families.
50% taxes makes the earnings even more miserable and it does not pay off working online for that money.
At the same time the state supports the foreign trade lobbies that
over their megamarkets suck the money out of the country.
Foreign banks even more via their loans and credits.
Every day we listen how young people are leaving the country and what does the state do to prevent that?
Racketeers them and puts the shackles of debt slavery on them.
No choice but to leave the country.


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#3635 2021-01-15 06:53:19

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Sounds like Sweden in the 70s. Back then we had a tax system that cranked up the % depending on income. Whoever designed didn't think this through and some people found they had a 100+% tax rate. One of them was Astrid Lindgren of Pippi Longstocking fame. She wrote a short piece about this and it was widely published newspapers. She won and the politicians of the time, including a /very/ egocentric finance minister, had to back off and redesign the tax system.

And, yes, we had tax laws that hit people and companies retroactively.

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#3636 2021-01-15 12:14:47

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Martin, I doubt it's like Sweden.
Mobsters rule the country.
The state does not charge taxes retroactively to those singers that earn 50 - 100 K€ per gig.
They are the best friends with the regime.
It hits only the freelancers.
Foreign companies have secret contracts with the government.
And domestic companies are racketeered by numerious ways which I could write until the keyboard falls appart.
They even got blackmailed to donate money to the rulling party for the elections.
It was an equal to one average salary that was not required by the law to publish on government website.
More and more children and people ask for sms message donations for medical treatment and food
and the regime's media claims we are the best in Europe.
It's not very clear who owns the media but 99% of them support the regime.
These people in the reality show earn in thousands and thousands of euros.
The TV stations that support the regime can do anything.
TV Pink:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hex9OqLWprQ
TV Happy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoTZXNAW_o8
This orchestrated violance agains the culture goes 24/7 on national frequencies.
The kids are looking up to these people.

I've read about a horror film named "A Serbian film" with some gore
scenes that describe in a twisted artistic way what the regime (film director) is doing to the people.
I did not watch it, I don't have the stomach for it.


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#3637 2021-01-16 07:31:14

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misko_2083 wrote:

In this country you can only get a job over a political party that humiliates you to stick party posters on the streets,
go to their rallies and put their pictures on the profiles of the social media.
All of that to show how loyal you are to political party and it's leader.
Yes that kind of young people are needed in this country and not smart independant people that earn their bread.

Sounds like the same old "socialist" blueprint is being re-used.
Unfortunately, I'm seeing this in a few Eastern European countries. Russia, Poland, Hungary, Belarus and - Serbia?
Maybe change will only come after everybody who lived in that old time has died. Of course hoping that by that time they haven't developed their own brand of neo-socialist nationalist populism. Sadly, that's exactly what it looks like these days.
I'm beginning to understand what twoion meant when he said Europeans shouldn't be derisive of the political situation in the US of NA.

What are we seeing there? News coverage, or some sort of reality TV? What's it about?
People fighting is, unfortunately, common in all countries, I don't see how this is the media's fault.
(BTW, are the stations really called that?)

misko_2083 wrote:

This orchestrated violance agains the culture goes 24/7 on national frequencies.
The kids are looking up to these people.

Ah, so you criticize the low quality entertainment on TV? Unfortunately, entertainment is not the same as culture. I agree with your sentiment though.


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#3638 2021-01-16 11:22:23

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Miško, I agree with most things you've said regarding sad state of affairs in Serbia but I think our wider perspectives differ quite a bit.

I think the fundamental problem with Vučić is that he is so great at obeying the foreign influences that he got green light to do whatever he wants internally in the country even from the EU. Serbia is buying weapons from Russia, France, USA, actually whoever needs to dump some not so desirable tech from their old stock. We were buying Huawei tech for police force and biggest public telco company (even those surveilance cameras on huge concrete pillars you are seeing in Belgrade since last year are Huawei) +, and who knows what else. All those things are being financed by taxes they collect from you and me.

Second problem created by the one I have mentioned above is that in order to keep support for whatever he is doing he had to create mob/cult relationship with the public, which includes owning the media and continuing with influencing private sector that disobeys. Remember how Happy TV was bought? By transfering unreasonable high money to owner of Kopernikus ISP, which he used to buy that TV channel - of course in exchange for servitude and jhefty difference in money he has left. That was just one of the later examples. Supernova is basically lowkey Telekom Srbija that gains customers in areas where sub-par stanadrds can be applied to quickly gain in numbers. The problem of getting job positiomns if you are in the party is mostly prevelant in public sector, and you know of course that there are fictional services invented (communal police for example) in order to get those party members jobs. But reality is relentless and now it's the time where regime needs every bit of extra income to finance overbloated public apparatus. Sadly freelancrs are one of those in the list, more expensive traffic tickets, increasing taxes on owning a TV. It all adds up.

Regarding the contents of the TV proprammes - I don't think we have to worry about that. It's more or less the same as anywhere - it is a dying medium fighting for attention at it's death bed. That is why we can expect to see more nudity and profanity because less and less people would passively watch such a program instead of curating their own entertainment with streaming services.

Kids are also more or less the same like anywhere else where thery have internet access. They are memelords and shitposters in their teens, and depressed bunch searching for meaning when they enter university age.

The model that works for me at the moment is working for foreign company that actually needs my expertise. This coming from someone with over 15 years of experience in IT is not an average situation at all. Most of the problems mentioned here do not affect me at all, because I don't deal with plitics on daily basis. This post is the most political I have been in a year probably. smile


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#3639 2021-01-16 11:24:41

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ohnonot wrote:

Sounds like the same old "socialist" blueprint is being re-used.
Unfortunately, I'm seeing this in a few Eastern European countries. Russia, Poland, Hungary, Belarus and - Serbia?
Maybe change will only come after everybody who lived in that old time has died. Of course hoping that by that time they haven't developed their own brand of neo-socialist nationalist populism. Sadly, that's exactly what it looks like these days.
I'm beginning to understand what twoion meant when he said Europeans shouldn't be derisive of the political situation in the US of NA.

It exists in the west too.
All the lessons learned are deemed to be forgotten. If not in the current generation then in the next.
In some places people have shorter memory.
It will not go away when they all die, they have children and the new generation of kids are brainwashed with the culture of 90's.

ohnonot wrote:

What are we seeing there? News coverage, or some sort of reality TV? What's it about?
People fighting is, unfortunately, common in all countries, I don't see how this is the media's fault.
(BTW, are the stations really called that?)

Sorry I didn't write some background.
The first one is  Zadruga 4, the fourth season of reality TV show on Pink TV (yes the actual name) owned by the notorious TV magnate Željko Mitrović tied to the regimes from the 90's to this day. This sort of bad content is a standard on his television and many, many chanels.. His son actualy ran over a teenager one night and the court decided he was not guilty. He did not even stop, but his daddy is rich and influental.
The meaning of zadruga https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zadruga
It collects the worst people from the society, there is even a criminal whose jail time for drug dealing was postponed to join the show.
A big bunch of tail-less animals and baboon look-alike plasic surgary faces.

The second one is Happy TV's Parovi. Translates to Couples.
There is violence there too. My mother watched it and she sometimes tells me some of the content.
It's mostly the stories from their life. The very ugly ones. They all talk loudly at the same time no one respects the other.
There is no basic culture in them whatsoever. They quarrel all the time an swear a lot just like in Zadruga.

ohnonot wrote:
misko_2083 wrote:

This orchestrated violance agains the culture goes 24/7 on national frequencies.
The kids are looking up to these people.

Ah, so you criticize the low quality entertainment on TV? Unfortunately, entertainment is not the same as culture. I agree with your sentiment though.

Culture is not something cemented, it does change, rises and falls, upgrades and degrades.
Movies become part of the culture too. You often hear people quoting movies everywhere you go.
Tv and the internet is not an exception.
You hear kids repeating the same sentences of some criminal that they see as their role model.
Or the small kids repeat the rap song "My hookers are here! Suck my dick!". There is actualy a video of that online.
That is their culture and reality, the parents are too busy surviving and making sure to bring food to the table.
This is how the system makes sure it will have voters in 20 years from now.
Or at least enough criminals to maintain the system.
Look what the downfall of the culture did in the US. The culture always falls first before the chaos.
You can blame the Trump, it's actually people's fault for being manipulated and letting the TV and Holywood degrade the culture.
The TV has the power to destroy critical thinking.
When 6 mega corporations took over all of the media they not only the power to model the culture but also to model the thinking of the people. Placing the people's minds right there where the rich folks want them to be.
A lie said 1000 times becomes the truth. I think something like that Hitler's minister of propaganda Goebbels said.

People are supporting occupations because they see other people as inferior on TV.
People only repeat "thank you for your service/defending us" to the soldiers because they saw it in the movies first.
It became part of the culture the same way as seeing all Arabs as terrorists.
If you wathced that film Borat, which criticizes the American stereotypes,
the actor Sasha Baron was traveling disguised as a Khazakh journalist in  a van,
The FBI got constant reports of two terrorists traveling in a van.
It's how the most of the people perceived them.
It's a part of the mainstream culture.

The TV and film have a big monopoly on culture, and steer their direction.
When you have a president that was a minister of information in the 90's,
who is in control of most of the TV stations and newspapers this is how he will engineer our culture.
You see, dictators think through the lence of the camera.
They speak as they think the people need to hear and think in order for him to stay in power.
And if that dictator has experiance in destroying the culture in the 90's, he will tend to repeat what he does best.
Keeping the people's minds in the 90's where he wants them to be with the modern day technology and techniques.


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#3640 2021-01-16 11:36:14

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I forgot to mention another thing about freelancer topic in Serbia.

Serbia exchanges tax data with many countries in the world because we are not a third world country as one might think. Let's say freelancer in Serbia is doing their business with UK company and pays 0 taxes during period of 10 years while the UK company is doing their business completely in a legal manner. Serbia will eventaully get and process tax data for the citizen of Serbia and find that there are missing tax payments. Is the government of Serbia asking for taxes retroactively completely wrong thing to do here?


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#3641 2021-01-16 15:48:30

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You are that ninja guy that sneaks and posts in between without people even noticing. smile
Ninjas these days - they're everywhere.

Third world is overated, this is the banana league. smile
It's not simple. Freelancers don't have a steady income and a fixed working time of 8 hours.
Sometimes they work for 10, 12 or 15 hours a day.
Sometimes they are for months without a job.
It's not like a part time job.
The state did not regulate this properly and made their lives only more difficult.
What will they do if they give 80% of what they earned
and stil have to pay for the utilities and the always rising taxes and prices.
The politicians live in a parallel dimension where they:
have regular salaries,
don't pay for transportation,
drive the best cars they don't have to pay for,
pay much less for meals and drinks in the special parlament's snack bar,
and therefore belive people can make it to the end of the month with less that 200€.
What law the state applies for one group does not apply for everyone.

What people don't realize is that we can create our reality if there are enough people who want that.
Whatever people's minds consume it becomes part of us.
If we consume lies our lives become a lie.
If we listen to the bad news only our lives become fear.
If we chase for material benefits, we become insensitive for other people.
If we choose the bad TV programme is becomes part of us our mainstream culture and our reality, like it or not.
Some people realized that long time ago and decided to profit from it.

Choose wisely people what becomes part of you.

I just remembered that ending scene in the 1998 film The Sphere.
We can also choose to forget or unlearn and repeat the same mistakes all over again. :-)


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#3642 2021-01-16 16:29:46

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Oppressive regime in combination with foreign approval and tools to maintain dictatorship (today it is easier than ever to track population), and we get what you call "banan league" state. smile All the injustices we are mentioning here start with gross incompetence and abuse of power.

Freelancer laws introduced last year do not cover only them by the strict definition of the term "freelancer". Actually there is signifact number of full time employed people who were working from their homes for foreign companies and payed zero taxes as well. They were doing that by registering LLC and got payed as a consultacy company by foreign imployer. It was a popular opetion to take - foreign company has less obligations toward our government because all the lagalities were accepted by the engineers wanting such a deal (so they are able to dodge paying taxes). I think the confusion rises from inability of legislators to properly differentiate between those and real freelancers. It is a hot topic and I wish those people luck in dealing with our regime and financial/legal pressure they are subjected to in the past (and coming) year.


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#3643 2021-01-16 20:14:55

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misko_2083 wrote:

The first one is  Zadruga 4, the fourth season of reality TV show on Pink TV
(...)
The second one is Happy TV's Parovi. Translates to Couples.
There is violence there too. My mother watched it and she sometimes tells me some of the content.
It's mostly the stories from their life. The very ugly ones. They all talk loudly at the same time no one respects the other.

OK, so it is so-called reality TV, and not news coverage.
That's pretty far out; but I don't have a yard stick anymore, I choose the content I watch, actual linear TV hasn't been on my list for over a decade.

Culture is not something cemented, it does change, rises and falls, upgrades and degrades.
Movies become part of the culture too. You often hear people quoting movies everywhere you go.
Tv and the internet is not an exception.

Maybe I didn't think this through before I posted. Culture and entertainment aren't mutually exclusive, and IMO that's Good.
But they aren't the same thing, and some entertainment has almost nothing to do with culture anymore...

In many countries, young people don't care for TV anymore anyhow. To them it's an old people thing, like desktop computers and line phones. big_smile


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#3644 2021-01-16 22:19:02

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ohnonot wrote:

That's pretty far out; but I don't have a yard stick anymore, I choose the content I watch, actual linear TV hasn't been on my list for over a decade.

Not since 1985 in my case.

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#3645 2021-01-17 07:53:22

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^ Now that I think about it, it's been much longer for me, too.
I haven't owned a TV set since the mid-90s, and only started watching video regularly about 10 years ago.


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@Miško

It seems like yesterday protest yielded some results. Representatives of freelancers association will have a meeting with government officials on Monday [video report].


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https://www.jwz.org/blog/2021/01/i-told … 1-edition/

Linux can only be locked safely if powered off...unchanged since 2007.


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#3648 2021-01-18 15:27:22

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Sun For Miles wrote:

@Miško

It seems like yesterday protest yielded some results. Representatives of freelancers association will have a meeting with government officials on Monday [video report].

I think this was an APP method of the gov.
If it passes, passes.
Similar to what is described in twoions's link.
Good design of a critical software vs the fancy looking screensaver that unlocks the screen on unpredictable input.

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#3649 2021-01-19 05:52:36

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twoion wrote:

https://www.jwz.org/blog/2021/01/i-told … 1-edition/

Linux can only be locked safely if powered off...unchanged since 2007.

If you are not running XScreenSaver on Linux, then it is safe to assume that your screen does not lock.

What an arrogant a-hole. Something else that hasn't changed since 2004.
He should have clarified:

If you are running some XScreenSaver fork on Linux, then it is safe to assume that your screen does not lock.

But of course he's so absorbed in being the king of his very own hill, he doesn't even realise that his generalisation is invalid.


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#3650 2021-01-19 20:34:33

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ohnonot wrote:
twoion wrote:

https://www.jwz.org/blog/2021/01/i-told … 1-edition/

Linux can only be locked safely if powered off...unchanged since 2007.

If you are not running XScreenSaver on Linux, then it is safe to assume that your screen does not lock.

What an arrogant a-hole. Something else that hasn't changed since 2004.
He should have clarified:

If you are running some XScreenSaver fork on Linux, then it is safe to assume that your screen does not lock.

But of course he's so absorbed in being the king of his very own hill, he doesn't even realise that his generalisation is invalid.

Well the developer of Xscreensaver  does not make compromises of looks vs security.
Locking the screen and preventing other people from seeing the contents of the screen is it's primary function.
Looking modern is secondary, but not for developers of forks.
X11 was not designed with a screensaver in mind.
So creating a window that always stays on top of other windows and with various window managers is a difficult task.
The window must grab the mouser and keyboard in order to prevent the user to type the password to another window.
If a keyboard key combination can crash the app, then another user has access the home screen.
Even worse if the owner left an open terminal or GUI app with elevated user privileges.
Screen lock is a crucial piece of software.
It's another layer of security which you must depend on.
So it's better to prevent then to deal with the consequences.
Better safe then sorry, or as we say better to prevent than to heal.
So it must be designed in such a way to fail safely and not show the desktop.
Malm's Jgmenu application grabs keyboard and mouse, but if it fails no big deal.
You get back to the desktop.
If screensaver fails someone can copy your scripts, photos and browser history to his usb drive.
That's the best case scenario.
He could also format your hard drive or install a keylogger or malicious software and watch you over the webcam.

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