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#26 2020-07-29 20:26:58

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Re: Looking hard at Bunsenlabs

MikeG, out!

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#27 2020-07-29 20:29:52

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Re: Looking hard at Bunsenlabs

eight.bit.al wrote:

^ Still picking out the chads. ;-)

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#28 2020-07-29 20:30:53

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Re: Looking hard at Bunsenlabs

^ Tell him to get in line.

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#29 2020-07-29 21:14:16

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Re: Looking hard at Bunsenlabs

hhh wrote:

MikeG, out!

*mic drop*

My convulted plan paid off in spades!

The plan was to infiltrate a Linux forum, gain trust, and then steal wallpapers.

Suckers!

(*runs off laughing*)

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#30 2020-07-29 21:23:33

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Re: Looking hard at Bunsenlabs

On a sidenote : my wife has an old HP netbook that she never uses. I bought it as a gift and it had Windows 8 on it. Two days after buying it, it forced an update to Windows 10 which rendered the system almost unuseable. I installed Lubuntu on it and it works OK, but getting the install to take was a chore. A lot of cussing, fooling around in GRUB, and multiple tries before it finally worked. It only has 2G of RAM and it gets really laggy trying to watch YouTube or any streaming video in Chromium or Firefox. I wonder if Bunsenlabs would work better......I bet it would. It's one of those 2015-ish netbooks with a glorified 32G SD card soldered into it instead of a HDD or SSD.

After I get Bunsen up and running on my laptop, I think I will try to bring her old netbook back from the dead.


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#31 2020-07-29 21:27:25

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^ Install the 32 bit Lithium ISO, unless you need to run something 64 bit. That should fly on that netbook, assuming it's fairly Linux friendly.

I ran 32 bit Debian Openbox on a 1G RAM desktop for years with no major problems. An old eMachine, the cheapest PC available at the time. I got lucky as the power supply didn't blow out. We're talking circa 1997 (the purchase, installing linux came many years later, maybe 2002). I ran Ubuntu on that (feisty), I ran aptosid on that, I ran a second partition, I ran gnome-shell on that with 2G RAM when the shell was released. My gnome-shell theme(s)...

https://www.deviantart.com/hhhorb/art/E … -273020713

2011! Wheezy, baby!!! big_smile

Holy moley, gnome-shell is nine years old. Released in April of 2011.

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#32 2020-07-29 21:55:40

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hhh wrote:

^ Install the 32 bit Lithium ISO, unless you need to run something 64 bit. That should fly on that netbook, assuming it's fairly Linux friendly.

I ran 32 bit Debian Openbox on a 1G RAM desktop for years with no major problems. An old eMachine, the cheapest PC available at the time. I got lucky as the power supply didn't blow out. We're talking circa 1997 (the purchase, installing linux came many years later, maybe 2002). I ran Ubuntu on that (feisty), I ran aptosid on that, I ran a second partition, I ran gnome-shell on that with 2G RAM when the shell was released. My gnome-shell theme(s)...

https://www.deviantart.com/hhhorb/art/E … -273020713

2011! Wheezy, baby!!! big_smile

Holy moley, gnome-shell is nine years old. Released in April of 2011.

If she could watch Netflix and YouTube on it, then she would be happy and that would make me happy by proxy. It *almost* works running Chromium. The stream works, but it's so choppy that it's unwatchable. It also has one of those Atom chips. It's a dual core, or maybe a quad core. But it still runs slower than a Pentium or AMD. No fan. It was already a subpar platform when it was new and it hasn't aged well. If I could just get it to stream video decently - no 720p or anything like that, just low standard. I would consider that a win. The desktop is decently responsive when a RAM-heavy browser isn't running. So, I think Bunsenlabs would free up some RAM for the browser to eat and maybe (just maybe) make streaming video possible.

I honestly don't mind some things about Gnome. I use it or LXDE (which got me interested in OpenBox) as my daily driver. Some of the Gnome shell extensions are handy. But, even though they are trimming it down, it's still resource-hungry compared to lighter desktops. For what I use it for, I feel like it shouldn't be eating up almost a gig of RAM at idle. WTH is it doing with all that memory? I mean, until recently, the mouse was javascripted. That's nuts. All those "evolution" processes and stuff running in the background. It just seems excessive since my needs are simple - no local networking, no gaming, etc.

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#33 2020-07-30 01:12:12

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Re: Looking hard at Bunsenlabs

yo yo yo what are we talking here, who's got them meteorites yo?
you do moldavite, desert glass?  Just meteorites?  Do you have any slices with peridot crystals?  Do you have any carved?  Got any sweet plugs you could kick down, or do I just start saving my pennies, nickels and dimes for Tuscon?

eternally grateful, of course.

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#34 2020-07-30 09:45:00

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Re: Looking hard at Bunsenlabs

GalacticStone wrote:

If she could watch Netflix and YouTube on it, then she would be happy and that would make me happy by proxy.

I jusy had a quick look; Netflix is tricky because of DRM encryption, but for YT I recommend mpv + youtube-dl, or, if possible, a GUI frontend for mpv. I hear celluloid is good, but I'm sure e.g. smplayer will do, too.

Back to netflix: some desktop apps exist. Not sure if they use less resources, though.
This is what my package manager (not BL) spat out:

1) aur/wine-browser-installer 1-7 (93, 0.26)
    Browser installer for wine-silverlight, shared between netflix-desktop and pipelight    
2) aur/qtwebflix-git 0.1.r173.ga50ef71-1 (27, 1.99)
    Standalone HD Netflix Browser using qt5-webengine (also supports Amazon prime, HBO Go, Hulu,    
    Crunchy Roll)    
3) aur/netflix-qdesktop 0.91-1 (15, 0.80)
    Netflix web-app based on qtws    
4) aur/silos 0.1.41-1 (3, 1.01)
    Web-app container, with multimedia apps (YouTube, Netflix, Twitch, VVVVID, and RaiPlay),    
    productivity suites (Microsoft Office 365, Skype, Google Office, Trello, and Gmail), and    
    others (WhatsApp web and Wikipedia)    
5) aur/subtitles-printer-git v1.1.r0.ga4d6108-1 (3, 0.00)
    Shows subtitles in the bottom of an X11 display. Useful with Netflix.    
6) aur/silo-netflix 0.1-1 (0, 0.00)
    Standalone silo app for Netflix

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#35 2020-07-30 12:58:36

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ovum wrote:

yo yo yo what are we talking here, who's got them meteorites yo?
you do moldavite, desert glass?  Just meteorites?  Do you have any slices with peridot crystals?  Do you have any carved?  Got any sweet plugs you could kick down, or do I just start saving my pennies, nickels and dimes for Tuscon?

eternally grateful, of course.

Yo dawg, I got the meteorites!  LOL.

Moldavite and Desert Glass - not so much any more. I used to regularly keep some of both on hand, but wholesale prices have steadily climbed over the last several years, and now they just aren't profitable enough to mess with. It's a shame, because I love both Moldavite and LDG, but from a dealer standpoint they don't make much money any more.

Slices with peridot crystals (pallasite) - I don't currently have any slices on hand, but I have a great source for Sericho pallasite (that new pallasite from Kenya).

I generally cater to micromount collectors and scientific researchers - micromounts are small sample-sized bits of meteorites that are useful for study or for collectors who want a rare type without paying a king's ransom for a larger piece. I do keep a few larger specimens on hand for collectors and I have a new shipment arriving today or tomorrow.

I've been on one meteorite hunt and didn't find anything. I get all of my meteorites from my mailbox (other dealers or hunters). However, I do hunt fossils every year (winter in Florida) and have found a ton of good stuff - mammoth, mastodon, megalodon, dire wolf, giant ground sloth, etc.

Are they still gonna do Tucson this coming year? With the pandemic, it seems a little dangerous to have all those people from around the world packed into poorly-ventilated buildings and tents. Of course, none of those dealers from outside the US are going to be in hurry to come here any way, until we get the virus under control. For once, I probably won't feel bad for not being able to go.


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#36 2020-07-30 13:03:04

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ohnonot wrote:
GalacticStone wrote:

If she could watch Netflix and YouTube on it, then she would be happy and that would make me happy by proxy.

I jusy had a quick look; Netflix is tricky because of DRM encryption, but for YT I recommend mpv + youtube-dl, or, if possible, a GUI frontend for mpv. I hear celluloid is good, but I'm sure e.g. smplayer will do, too.

Back to netflix: some desktop apps exist. Not sure if they use less resources, though.
This is what my package manager (not BL) spat out:

1) aur/wine-browser-installer 1-7 (93, 0.26)
    Browser installer for wine-silverlight, shared between netflix-desktop and pipelight    
2) aur/qtwebflix-git 0.1.r173.ga50ef71-1 (27, 1.99)
    Standalone HD Netflix Browser using qt5-webengine (also supports Amazon prime, HBO Go, Hulu,    
    Crunchy Roll)    
3) aur/netflix-qdesktop 0.91-1 (15, 0.80)
    Netflix web-app based on qtws    
4) aur/silos 0.1.41-1 (3, 1.01)
    Web-app container, with multimedia apps (YouTube, Netflix, Twitch, VVVVID, and RaiPlay),    
    productivity suites (Microsoft Office 365, Skype, Google Office, Trello, and Gmail), and    
    others (WhatsApp web and Wikipedia)    
5) aur/subtitles-printer-git v1.1.r0.ga4d6108-1 (3, 0.00)
    Shows subtitles in the bottom of an X11 display. Useful with Netflix.    
6) aur/silo-netflix 0.1-1 (0, 0.00)
    Standalone silo app for Netflix

Thanks for the heads-up on those apps. After I get her system straightened out, I will try some of those. Funny thing is, I know her computer is capable of it, because streaming video worked fine under Windows 8 for a brief time, before Microsoft almost bricked her device by jamming Windows 10 into it without our consent. Although, to be fair, that fiasco was the final straw that pushed me over to Linux. So there was a silver lining to that.  smile


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#37 2020-07-30 21:26:35

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#38 2020-07-30 21:31:15

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Runs fine on Firefox 78.x.x, 79, for me.

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#39 2020-07-30 21:47:18

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hhh wrote:

It runs fine on my laptop using Chrome, Chromium, or Firefox.

It "works" on my wife's Lubuntu system using Chrome, but it's so choppy/laggy that it's unwatchable.


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#40 2020-07-30 22:01:46

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Re: Looking hard at Bunsenlabs

BL Openbox should run smoother under load than OOTB Lubuntu, but you'd have to install it on that hardware to find out.

GalacticStone wrote:

The plan was to infiltrate a Linux forum, gain trust, and then steal wallpapers.

Suckers!

(*runs off laughing*)

Cookie Monster wrote:

Plan semi-successful. You no even realize we have cookies. Me eat your cookies.

nom nom nom nom nom! So good. licks furry fingers Me no say you sucker, me eat cookies.

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#41 2020-07-30 22:35:39

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Re: Looking hard at Bunsenlabs

ohnonot wrote:

for YT I recommend mpv + youtube-dl, or, if possible, a GUI frontend for mpv. I hear celluloid is good, but I'm sure e.g. smplayer will do, too.

I got inspired and wrote a short article about mpv + youtube-dl.
If you use Firefox, the "Open with..." addon can be very useful with that.
You can also marvel at my clumsy scripting attempts and try this script.


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#42 2020-07-31 15:07:03

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hhh wrote:

BL Openbox should run smoother under load than OOTB Lubuntu, but you'd have to install it on that hardware to find out.

GalacticStone wrote:

The plan was to infiltrate a Linux forum, gain trust, and then steal wallpapers.

Suckers!

(*runs off laughing*)

Cookie Monster wrote:

Plan semi-successful. You no even realize we have cookies. Me eat your cookies.

nom nom nom nom nom! So good. licks furry fingers Me no say you sucker, me eat cookies.

This is the older Lubuntu 18.04 (the last one with plain LXDE and not LXQt). The way I see it, that old HP netbook is being used as a paperweight right now, so it won't hurt to try. I am going to dig up the specs on it, because I am operating on memory and I am not sure which exact chipset it has (Atom?), etc.

Is this newer Lithium version going to be any heavier on resources than the previous version? Just wondering if I should go with Lithium on it, or install something even lighter? I get the feeling every little bit of RAM might matter with this limited machine, although if the difference is negligible, then it makes sense to go with the newer version.

You can have my chips. You can have my cake. But, don't touch my cookies. I'll fight over cookies, especially chocolate chip. LOL.


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#43 2020-07-31 15:08:24

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Re: Looking hard at Bunsenlabs

ohnonot wrote:
ohnonot wrote:

for YT I recommend mpv + youtube-dl, or, if possible, a GUI frontend for mpv. I hear celluloid is good, but I'm sure e.g. smplayer will do, too.

I got inspired and wrote a short article about mpv + youtube-dl.
If you use Firefox, the "Open with..." addon can be very useful with that.
You can also marvel at my clumsy scripting attempts and try this script.

This might be just what the doctor ordered for that old PC. I am gonna try this. Thanks for putting it together. Your blog is very interesting as well. Looks like I have some time to kill on it later tonight.  smile


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#44 2020-07-31 17:15:14

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BTW - if anyone here is on Mastodon, look me up and send me a follow request and I will follow back. I am always looking for new Linux accounts to follow over there. There's some pretty decent Linux discussion going on in the main instance from time to time.

Link - https://mastodon.social/@galacticstone


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#45 2020-07-31 19:58:45

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If you mean in terms of average desktop idle RAM usage, buster is a bit heavier than jessie, so same with lithium/helium. Lithium's 'desktop' makes it easy to strip things out to reduce RAM usage. For example, removing accessibility support (at-spi2-core) will not strip out the whole lithium desktop environment, but it will if you're running GNOME on Debian.

There are OOTB lighter distros available. This forum is unbiased towards other distros, in general. You can ask for help in our Help & Support (Other) forum, post your experiences in Distro-Hoppers Anonymous, and open new discussion threads in BL & General Linux Discussion.

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#46 2020-08-01 08:37:00

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Re: Looking hard at Bunsenlabs

hhh wrote:

There are OOTB lighter distros available.

What is the short "OOTB" standing for?


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#47 2020-08-01 09:10:09

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Re: Looking hard at Bunsenlabs

rbh wrote:
hhh wrote:

There are OOTB lighter distros available.

What is the short "OOTB" standing for?

"Out of the box" - in this case referring to distros in their default condition.


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#48 2020-08-01 13:07:09

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Re: Looking hard at Bunsenlabs

hhh wrote:

If you mean in terms of average desktop idle RAM usage, buster is a bit heavier than jessie, so same with lithium/helium. Lithium's 'desktop' makes it easy to strip things out to reduce RAM usage. For example, removing accessibility support (at-spi2-core) will not strip out the whole lithium desktop environment, but it will if you're running GNOME on Debian.

There are OOTB lighter distros available. This forum is unbiased towards other distros, in general. You can ask for help in our Help & Support (Other) forum, post your experiences in Distro-Hoppers Anonymous, and open new discussion threads in BL & General Linux Discussion.

I'm definitely going with Bunsenlabs. Sure, there are lighter distros, but none with these kinds of features. From my research, Bunsen seems to have the best balance between low resource footprint and features. Anything lighter and I may as well go with a bare CLI distro like Slackware - which is outside my wheelhouse in terms of coding knowledge.

Good to know about stripping out things and not breaking things. smile


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#49 2020-08-01 17:06:12

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damo wrote:

"Out of the box" - in this case referring to distros in their default condition.

FTFY.
Best place to get definitions for internet-speak.


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#50 2020-08-01 19:02:03

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damo wrote:

Thanks. I have stumbled upon https://www.urbandictionary.com before and forgotten aboout it. Bookmarked again.

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