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#1 2021-11-09 15:28:01

gevera
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Registered: 2016-01-12
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Decoupling Bunsenlabs from Debian

Hi, friends. How easy is it to take everything that goes on top of basic Debian from BL and port it, let's say, to Void Linux or Alpine Linux for that matter?

In other words, how deep is bundled Debian and Bunselabs? Besides BL being a standalone distribution, I can Imagine some scripts for different minimal platforms that integrate https://github.com/BunsenLabs/bunsen-meta-all into them. BL being super beautiful, optimized for speed, and at the same time decoupled, I see it as the go-to choice for bare minimum distributions.

I have nothing against Debian. It is one of my favourite distros that I have been using since 2008. At the same time, I know there are plenty of other distributions that have a subpar Openbox experience. And Bunsenlabs might help here. Just trying to pitch an idea.

You might say, well, there are other desktops, like XFCE or LXDE etc. they already do that. I do not mean quite that. As an example, Openbox most of the time is installed with ugly default themes and no software to make a full-fledge BL experience. Sure, anybody could just install Openbox separately, try to find the themes and the packages needed and hope it would work just like the original BL. But, in most cases, unfortunately, it doesn't. That's why I mentioned the installation scripts for different distributions, say ./install_bl_ubuntu.sh or ./install_bl_fedora.sh etc

I know that maybe this is too much to ask for or not enough resources, but at least some brainstorming won't hurt, I guess. Would love to hear your feedback on this.

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#2 2021-11-09 16:04:52

twoion
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Re: Decoupling Bunsenlabs from Debian

You might want to check out https://archlabslinux.com/ and https://forum.archlabslinux.com/. Dobbie03 has done an amazing job in rebasing BL ideas on Arch Linux.

As long as you honor the license our packages are released under, normally GNU GPL-3+, there shouldn't be any blockers to use the actual configs, programs, or scripts.

There are a few Debian specific things like the update-alternatives mechanism which is referenced in some packages, and other platforms don't need metapackages, they know groups, like rpm or pacman do. Most differences will follow from different packaging, or incompatible software versions (although in recent years this has improved a bit).

In the past I maintained some AUR packages that made BL utilities and assets available in Arch Linux; but I have since stopped. AUR packages would be the best target to try things out, I think. Other distro's packaging is too complicated for my personal taste (including Debian by now).

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#3 2021-11-10 05:03:07

hhh
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Re: Decoupling Bunsenlabs from Debian

^ PackRat sent me the latest ISO link 2 weeks ago, but I don't have VB or a hard partition set up ATM. I'm looking forward to it.

LXQt on Bulllseye, it's very meh...

https://i.imgur.com/PvuXITw.png

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#4 2021-11-10 08:50:28

gevera
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Re: Decoupling Bunsenlabs from Debian

twoion wrote:

You might want to check out https://archlabslinux.com/ and https://forum.archlabslinux.com/. Dobbie03 has done an amazing job in rebasing BL ideas on Arch Linux.

As long as you honor the license our packages are released under, normally GNU GPL-3+, there shouldn't be any blockers to use the actual configs, programs, or scripts.

There are a few Debian specific things like the update-alternatives mechanism which is referenced in some packages, and other platforms don't need metapackages, they know groups, like rpm or pacman do. Most differences will follow from different packaging, or incompatible software versions (although in recent years this has improved a bit).

In the past I maintained some AUR packages that made BL utilities and assets available in Arch Linux; but I have since stopped. AUR packages would be the best target to try things out, I think. Other distro's packaging is too complicated for my personal taste (including Debian by now).

Well, I believe it is easier to start porting to Debian platforms anyways, like Ubuntu and Zorin. BTW, does anybody knows how to turn a plain minimal Debian to  Bunselabs dekstop?

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#5 2021-11-10 09:54:28

johnraff
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Re: Decoupling Bunsenlabs from Debian

gevera wrote:

does anybody knows how to turn a plain minimal Debian to  Bunselabs dekstop?

Here's a guide for the experimental Beryllium system:
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=7356


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#6 2021-11-10 14:31:26

manyroads
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Re: Decoupling Bunsenlabs from Debian

You might find this of interest... https://eirenicon.org/2019/10/10/blam-openbox/

Also check out the MX Linux forums.  Others have done it there as well, I think.  You can also check antiX.... heck just Google away.


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#7 2021-11-10 15:17:05

gevera
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Registered: 2016-01-12
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Re: Decoupling Bunsenlabs from Debian

manyroads wrote:

You might find this of interest... https://eirenicon.org/2019/10/10/blam-openbox/

Also check out the MX Linux forums.  Others have done it there as well, I think.  You can also check antiX.... heck just Google away.


Good one, I believe one could turn all those commands into a shell script and Voila..you got a BL on MX Linux.

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#8 2021-11-10 18:07:32

PackRat
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Re: Decoupling Bunsenlabs from Debian

hhh wrote:

^ PackRat sent me the latest ISO link 2 weeks ago, but I don't have VB or a hard partition set up ATM. I'm looking forward to it.

https://i.imgur.com/PvuXITw.png

I sent you a link for an ArchLabs iso I made. It's not an official release.

And I know for a fact all the BL themes work in Void; keep them coming.

To reiterate what twoion said, everything but the Debian specific stuff works on  Void. Just need the time and patience to port it all over.


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