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#1 2021-04-27 16:31:02

mdiemer
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Best Way To Make An ISO On Bunsen Labs Linux?

First, let me say that the more I use Bunsen Labs Linux, the more I come to appreciate all the work that went into it. It is what I would call "professional grade." For example, a right-click brings me to "Places," where I can quickly navigate to the 'config' section. I don't need to open my home folder and get to it from there. So logical, so easy.

Now, I tried awhile-back getting Etcher going on BL, and was unsuccessful. So, what do folks here use to make an ISO? Through the terminal? Rufus? something else? I want to test another Linux system, and before I download it, I would like to know I can make the ISO here, and not have to transfer it to another Linux, or even - shudder - Windows. (Yes, I still have three Windows 7 systems. Two are archives; one is my music computer, which I need, as my music-creation software is Windows only). Oh, and we still have Windows 98 on an old Gateway desktop from the turn of the century. It has never been online, and I reinstalled W98 a few years back, and boosted the ram to the max - 360 MB. but it came with 20 or so DVDs, and we just can't bring ourselves to get rid of it. Still use it once in a while to make a greeting card, or check something on my old version of Cakewalk (my music software).

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#2 2021-04-27 17:15:25

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Re: Best Way To Make An ISO On Bunsen Labs Linux?

Use Ventoy:

https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html

I believe it can be installed by windows.
Or you can 'burn' it to a thumb stick with Etcher, dd, or others.
Then boot from it and install. Easy install, you'll see.

Once it's setup,
Then file copy/delete ISOs to it and boot from there.

IMG_20210423_211717513.th.jpg


8bit

edit: thumbs up for Cakewalk.

Last edited by eight.bit.al (2021-04-27 17:25:55)


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#3 2021-04-27 17:25:01

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Re: Best Way To Make An ISO On Bunsen Labs Linux?

mdiemer wrote:

Now, I tried awhile-back getting Etcher going on BL, and was unsuccessful. So, what do folks here use to make an ISO? Through the terminal? Rufus? something else?

If you want to install BunsenLabs, you download iso from https://www.bunsenlabs.org/installation.html.
You can make an iso of your own system, or create an updated install iso, but that is a specialised work...

You have to transfer the iso-file to an usb-thumb or an DVD-disk.
Recomended tool to transfere iso file, to usb-device, is dd.
See https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb

Etcher seemms to work also.


// Regards rbh

Please read before requesting help: Guide to getting help,
Introduction to the Bunsenlabs Lithium Desktop and other help topics under "Help Resources" on the BunsenLabs menu

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#4 2021-04-27 19:37:52

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Re: Best Way To Make An ISO On Bunsen Labs Linux?

^ exactly, there are links to 4 alternatives on that page.
BTW, you don't "make an ISO" - you "make a bootable medium" - a CD, DVD, USB stick... and you make it from an ISO.

I use dd. Always did.

I once tried etcher, because one distro recommended it and it was non-standard, I felt insecure about the process, so I tried Etcher.
Problem: I had to do it on an ancient 32bit netbook, and there was no package available for the current operating system. I had to use an appimage iirc, and just getting that to run cost precious hours of my life; but I got there in the end.
Then, it took 5min just to start the UI.
I succeeded burning the image evtl.
But later I found out that dd'ing that exact same image had the exact same result, wouldn't have taken an hour (I'm talking about the burning only, not all the other hassle I had) with something that is already installed.

So what's all that electron crap for?

Never again, for me.

dd FTW!


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#5 2021-04-27 20:15:26

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Re: Best Way To Make An ISO On Bunsen Labs Linux?

eight.bit.al wrote:

Use Ventoy:

https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html

I believe it can be installed by windows.
Or you can 'burn' it to a thumb stick with Etcher, dd, or others.
Then boot from it and install. Easy install, you'll see.

Once it's setup,
Then file copy/delete ISOs to it and boot from there.

https://scrot.cloud/images/2021/04/23/IMG_20210423_211717513.th.jpg


8bit

edit: thumbs up for Cakewalk.

That looks really interesting, I'll definitely check it out.

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#6 2021-04-27 20:21:50

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Re: Best Way To Make An ISO On Bunsen Labs Linux?

To write iso image to USB-drive

Open a Terminal.
Check what disks you have_

$ lsblk | grep sd

Insert the usb-drive
Run "lsblk | grep sd" again.
Note the name of the new drive "/dev/sdc" or whatewer
If you have aotomount enabled, umount all partitions of the thumbdrive.
Copy the iso to the usb-drive:

$ sudo dd if=/path-to-iso/name-of-iso of=/dev/sdx bs=4M status=progress

Comment:
When you pipe "lsblk" throug "grep sd" (lsblk | grep sd), you omit all snap devicess and only get response of Sata/Scci and usb-drives.
bs= BlockSize. Default is 512 kb. With 4Mb big blocksize, the transfer will take a little less time.
status=progress, will give you status report of the transfer.

Last edited by rbh (2021-04-27 20:25:37)


// Regards rbh

Please read before requesting help: Guide to getting help,
Introduction to the Bunsenlabs Lithium Desktop and other help topics under "Help Resources" on the BunsenLabs menu

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#7 2021-04-27 20:22:16

mdiemer
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Re: Best Way To Make An ISO On Bunsen Labs Linux?

rbh wrote:
mdiemer wrote:

Now, I tried awhile-back getting Etcher going on BL, and was unsuccessful. So, what do folks here use to make an ISO? Through the terminal? Rufus? something else?

If you want to install BunsenLabs, you download iso from https://www.bunsenlabs.org/installation.html.
You can make an iso of your own system, or create an updated install iso, but that is a specialised work...

You have to transfer the iso-file to an usb-thumb or an DVD-disk.
Recomended tool to transfere iso file, to usb-device, is dd.
See https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb

Etcher seemms to work also.

Actually I'm already running Bunsen Labs, have been for a few months. But I don't have a tool yet on BL to make bootable media for USB. I know you can use Braserro, but I don't have any re-writable DVDs. I have used dd for backups but not to put an iso on. If that is the easiest way, I'll have to try it. Etcher is pretty fast, but I have heard people complain about it, although I haven't had any trouble, other than the last time I used it when it was not fast for some reason, possibly because the USB drive may be going. But installing Etcher on Bunsen? I gave up after seeing all the other stuff I needed to put on my system. Then too, you have to put up with upgrade nags.

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#8 2021-04-27 20:30:24

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Re: Best Way To Make An ISO On Bunsen Labs Linux?

ohnonot wrote:

^ exactly, there are links to 4 alternatives on that page.
BTW, you don't "make an ISO" - you "make a bootable medium" - a CD, DVD, USB stick... and you make it from an ISO.

I use dd. Always did.

I once tried etcher, because one distro recommended it and it was non-standard, I felt insecure about the process, so I tried Etcher.
Problem: I had to do it on an ancient 32bit netbook, and there was no package available for the current operating system. I had to use an appimage iirc, and just getting that to run cost precious hours of my life; but I got there in the end.
Then, it took 5min just to start the UI.
I succeeded burning the image evtl.
But later I found out that dd'ing that exact same image had the exact same result, wouldn't have taken an hour (I'm talking about the burning only, not all the other hassle I had) with something that is already installed.

So what's all that electron crap for?

Never again, for me.

dd FTW!

Thanks for the clarification on ISO's. I was just using shorthand but perhaps I should be more accurate. Another vote for dd, I'll have to try it, although that Ventor looks interesting. Down the road I may check it out. But it's good to know and use the built-in tools, in the process becoming more comfortable with the terminal. My problem is I'm a terrible typist. I started out as an English major and can write well, spell well etc, but my tying is really crappy. So I tend to avoid the terminal. It stresses me out. But I know I need to use it more. Not that I'll ever be much more than a just a bit beyond the newbie level...(see, I spelled newbie correctly!).

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#9 2021-04-27 20:34:50

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Re: Best Way To Make An ISO On Bunsen Labs Linux?

rbh wrote:

To write iso image to USB-drive

Open a Terminal.
Check what disks you have_

$ lsblk | grep sd

Insert the usb-drive
Run "lsblk | grep sd" again.
Note the name of the new drive "/dev/sdc" or whatewer
If you have aotomount enabled, umount all partitions of the thumbdrive.
Copy the iso to the usb-drive:

$ sudo dd if=/path-to-iso/name-of-iso of=/dev/sdx bs=4M status=progress

Comment:
When you pipe "lsblk" throug "grep sd" (lsblk | grep sd), you omit all snap devicess and only get response of Sata/Scci and usb-drives.
bs= BlockSize. Default is 512 kb. With 4Mb big blocksize, the transfer will take a little less time.
status=progress, will give you status report of the transfer.

Thanks for the detailed instructions, that's really helpful! now, if I can just avoid typos...

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#10 2021-04-27 20:41:00

rbh
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Re: Best Way To Make An ISO On Bunsen Labs Linux?

mdiemer wrote:

But I don't have a tool yet on BL to make bootable media for USB.

Yes you have. "cp" and "dd", comes with default installation.

If that is the easiest way, I'll have to try it.

No, cp and dd is recomended on https://www.bunsenlabs.org/installation.html, because it is the safest method.

Etcher is pretty fast,

I think there is a setting "Use in DD-mode", in Etcher. If you use Etcher, ylu should use that setting. Then it is not faster than dd.

But installing Etcher on Bunsen? I gave up after seeing all the other stuff I needed to put on my system.

You can download Etcher as an appimage...


// Regards rbh

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#11 2021-04-27 21:08:59

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Re: Best Way To Make An ISO On Bunsen Labs Linux?

dd should be a tool of last resort for a poor typist. I should know. It's not nicknamed disk destroyer for nothing.

Just take your time and triple check everything.

Also see post:
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 21#p113621

8bit

Edit: for those who say it should be done the Linux Way, (dd) I say, it's a good thing the Mormons started their religion after the wheel was invented, or they'd have a _really_ hard life. smile

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#12 2021-04-27 22:03:03

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Re: Best Way To Make An ISO On Bunsen Labs Linux?

I second 8bit's comment. If you are going to type be certain, REALLY CERTAIN, you do things right (correctly, accurately) when using dd.  I recommend Cut & paste from a text editor.  dd can "do you in" real good....

Personally I like Mintstick.  I have not tried that on BL though.


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#13 2021-04-28 00:10:29

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Re: Best Way To Make An ISO On Bunsen Labs Linux?

eight.bit.al wrote:

dd should be a tool of last resort for a poor typist. I should know. It's not nicknamed disk destroyer for nothing.

Just take your time and triple check everything.

Also see post:
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 21#p113621

8bit

Edit: for those who say it should be done the Linux Way, (dd) I say, it's a good thing the Mormons started their religion after the wheel was invented, or they'd have a _really_ hard life. smile

thanks for the warning! It gives me pause...

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#14 2021-04-28 00:11:55

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Re: Best Way To Make An ISO On Bunsen Labs Linux?

manyroads wrote:

I second 8bit's comment. If you are going to type be certain, REALLY CERTAIN, you do things right (correctly, accurately) when using dd.  I recommend Cut & paste from a text editor.  dd can "do you in" real good....

Personally I like Mintstick.  I have not tried that on BL though.

Thanks to you also for the warning. I will only attempt dd on a good day!

I'll also check out Mintstick.

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#15 2021-05-18 12:29:36

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Re: Best Way To Make An ISO On Bunsen Labs Linux?

eight.bit.al wrote:

Use Ventoy:

https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html

I believe it can be installed by windows.
Or you can 'burn' it to a thumb stick with Etcher, dd, or others.
Then boot from it and install. Easy install, you'll see.

Once it's setup,
Then file copy/delete ISOs to it and boot from there.

https://scrot.cloud/images/2021/04/23/IMG_20210423_211717513.th.jpg


8bit

I just found this Ventoy tutorial.

/Martin


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prove their worth by hitting back."
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#16 2021-07-12 16:18:39

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Re: Best Way To Make An ISO On Bunsen Labs Linux?

MX Linux has some tools to do this which others have installed and successfully used on Debian.
Here is an MX Linux forum thread about it:

https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=65419

and just found out that Q4OS is including MX tools in their experimental apps:

https://www.q4os.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3477

Last edited by jeffreyC (2021-07-12 22:20:16)

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#17 2021-07-12 22:25:38

mdiemer
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Re: Best Way To Make An ISO On Bunsen Labs Linux?

jeffreyC wrote:

MX Linux has some tools to do this which others have installed and successfully used on Debian.
Here is an MX Linux forum thread about it:

https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=65419

and just found out that Q4OS is including MX tools in their experimental apps:

https://www.q4os.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3477

Thank you Jeffrey!

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