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#26 2020-11-07 10:41:25

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Re: It's a sad day for America

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Drump has empowered the wackos full-time ...

There is that. OTOH, and I'm more concerned about the global POV, him losing the election (there, I said it. Hope I haven't jinxed it now) sends a strong signal to all those would-be Trumps out there.

glittersloth wrote:

People older than I, both American and Internationale, often say the current day Republican party isn't the same as the party of old (they usually use the term "Ronald Raegan's Republicans").

As if Reagan had been much better.

It's not like the Democrats are much better. A lot of them are equally out of touch with reality on the ground and are too busy infighting to care about the public (like every politician in the world ever).

I maintain: It's not about Red vs. Blue.
Trump has taken everything bad you can say about any run-of-the-mill shit-for-brains business-politician, made a pile of it, then sat on top of that wailing like a four-year old.


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#27 2020-11-07 16:56:19

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#28 2020-11-07 17:09:08

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Re: It's a sad day for America

ohnonot wrote:

God, I hope to see this clown gone soon.

I don't think you will get rid of him even if he leave the white house. That he must leave the House, is now clear.
He will still twitter lies and hate. The republicans will not reject Trump.
He will continue having a big right-wing fanclub. He will act as "kings-maker" trying to favor people that next election can support his return to the precidensy.

Biden and Democrats, can not unite US and heal the country. The crack will widen.

I can be wrong. There can be an sudden awarenes among folk that all lives matter and the only solution for mankind is cooperation. But, I think that is decades away if it will come.

It is seldom so dark, that it not can be pitchdark. And it is newer so dark than just before dawn...


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#29 2020-11-07 17:12:06

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Re: It's a sad day for America

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#30 2020-11-07 20:48:01

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Re: It's a sad day for America

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#31 2020-11-07 22:55:09

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#32 2020-11-07 23:02:32

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Re: It's a sad day for America

Huh. For non-Americans, that is, in terms of foreign (and trade) policy, nothing will change. A Biden will not do what a Trump wouldn't have done, and I also think that a Clinton wouldn't have done much better or worse than Trump did. I consider the differences neglegible in that regard (discounting the drama, about which I don't care, but it's sad to see all those memes go).

I find it highly concerning, on the other hand, that yet again a soon-to-be-dead president has been elected. These guys keep getting older, and while a wise, old emperor is surely not the worst kind you could get yourself, it requires active cunning, power play and stamina to push ideas and agenda in any political system. I keep wondering how much of these guys is being a puppet, and how much is showing "profile". I lean towards the assumption that it's mostly about doing what one is being told, or bowing to political pressure/expectations.


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#33 2020-11-08 00:19:46

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Re: It's a sad day for America

twoion wrote:

that yet again a soon-to-be-dead president has been elected

Biden (or Trump) isn't elected yet. Even without the mayhem that is about to shift into high gear, that's not how our electoral system works.

If he does prevail, Biden (I suspect) will be gone by March 2021; Speaker Pelosi has pretty much started the process already. Anyone voting for Biden knew they were voting Harris for president.


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#34 2020-11-08 03:31:08

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Re: It's a sad day for America

Biden will see out his first term I think, but won't run again.


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#35 2020-11-08 08:40:45

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Re: It's a sad day for America

In any case 'everybody dance now'.

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#36 2020-11-08 08:55:14

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Re: It's a sad day for America

twoion wrote:

Huh. For non-Americans, that is, in terms of foreign (and trade) policy, nothing will change. A Biden will not do what a Trump wouldn't have done, and I also think that a Clinton wouldn't have done much better or worse than Trump did. I consider the differences neglegible in that regard (discounting the drama, about which I don't care, but it's sad to see all those memes go).

I find it highly concerning, on the other hand, that yet again a soon-to-be-dead president has been elected. These guys keep getting older, and while a wise, old emperor is surely not the worst kind you could get yourself, it requires active cunning, power play and stamina to push ideas and agenda in any political system. I keep wondering how much of these guys is being a puppet, and how much is showing "profile". I lean towards the assumption that it's mostly about doing what one is being told, or bowing to political pressure/expectations.

I agree with @twoion.

For me it is completely secondary who makes the race for the Wise Hous. Trump will drive this country to the wall sooner...

And, for those who are so frenetically celebrating the "change" here, Trump is/was the only president who has NOT waged war!
For this they will not even award him the Nobel Prize...

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#37 2020-11-08 09:44:36

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twoion, once again I find your stance all too pessimistic.

twoion wrote:

For non-Americans, that is, in terms of foreign (and trade) policy, nothing will change. A Biden will not do what a Trump wouldn't have done

He did promise the USA will re-join the Paris climate agreement. Granted, that's not "Doing something" as such, but the symbolic value is very important for the world. As is the symbolic value of invalidating DT's approach to politics, i.e. 21st century populism.
And according to party-politically non-biased experts Biden does actually have a plan for the next 4 years, unlike DT (sources).
Most of it will be closer to European conservative politics than anything "Socialist", that much is true (and disproves yet another Trump lie) but judging from what I see now it will be presented in a reasonable manner that does not aim to radicalise the unwashed masses.

I find it highly concerning, on the other hand, that yet again a soon-to-be-dead president has been elected. These guys keep getting older, and while a wise, old emperor is surely not the worst kind you could get yourself, it requires active cunning, power play and stamina to push ideas and agenda in any political system.

It also requires lots of money & influence, esp. in the US of NA; maybe that requires a lot of time...
Interestingly, this is something DT always opposed ("Drain the Swamp!") - but did he really do anything about it? I don't think so.
In any case, if he runs again in 4 years we can rightly call him "Sleepy Donald"!

I am also not too worried about Biden's personality or even health; I do not subscribe to the personality cult that some people want to simplify politics into. Even DT wouldn't have made it anywhere without a team (I'm not sure it was the Republican party though), and Biden strikes me as a frontman for the Democrats and not "Biden, the charismatic leader of a Nation".
In politics, boring is usually good.

unklar wrote:

And, for those who are so frenetically celebrating the "change" here, Trump is/was the only president who has NOT waged war!

Not in the strict sense, granted.
But if you count all Orange Baby foreign policy disasters together, it does amount to something similar.

That about sums it up. Back to Reality TV!


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#38 2020-11-08 10:16:31

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Re: It's a sad day for America

unklar wrote:

...
And, for those who are so frenetically celebrating the "change" here, Trump is/was the only president who has NOT waged war!
For this they will not even award him the Nobel Prize...

In case you weren't being ironic:

You don't get a Nobel for NOT fighting foreign wars. And actively encouraging white supremacy, social division and street violence at home is the antithesis of a peaceful man.


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#39 2020-11-08 10:47:37

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Re: It's a sad day for America

phuturism wrote:

Biden will see out his first term I think, but won't run again.

No he won't. He's already senile and been wearing dark glasses the last 6 weeks to hide the doped up expression in his eyes. Kamala Harris was the chosen one (Obama basically endorsed her in his first term) but flopped big time in the primaries. Democrats tried to insert Bloomberg, but he flopped, so Biden was put in late. Democrats are fine with Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez making noise, but their Wall Street backers do not want them in charge.


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#40 2020-11-08 10:56:00

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Re: It's a sad day for America

twoion wrote:

...but it's sad to see all those memes go

The one I'll probably miss the most is his caricature in one of my favourite current manga.

Will also miss using him whenever someone asks me about overclocking;
Friend: Hey sloth, what's this OC thing they keep talking abut on that PC forum you linked. Supposed to make your computer faster?
Me: Meh. It stands for Obnoxious Combover, meaning your system makes a lot of noise and blows hot air, but it doesn't really do shit for everyday performance.

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#41 2020-11-08 11:09:53

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Re: It's a sad day for America

damo wrote:

In case you weren't being ironic:

^This was meant ironically, because his predecessor was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize after only 8 months in office, although he led wars afterwards (I think there were 7!). More people died than DT caused the further division of American society.

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#42 2020-11-09 18:10:59

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Re: It's a sad day for America

damo wrote:

The world will breathe a little easier when there is a dog in the White House again. Is Trump the only POTUS without without a pet?

As Ricky Gervais said: "Try to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are."

Not just a dog, but a rescue dog. And it was a foster fail.

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#43 2020-11-09 18:15:35

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Re: It's a sad day for America

unklar wrote:
damo wrote:

In case you weren't being ironic:

^This was meant ironically, because his predecessor was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize after only 8 months in office, although he led wars afterwards (I think there were 7!). More people died than DT caused the further division of American society.

To be fair, Trump escalated drone bombings significantly. They just stopped the reporting of casualties.

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#44 2020-11-10 09:49:42

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Re: It's a sad day for America

damo wrote:

The world will breathe a little easier when there is a dog in the White House again. Is Trump the only POTUS without without a pet?

Well, Biden will have dogs in the WH.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/09/poli … index.html

Edit:
If you mean pets, Trump does have one. His name's Kanye. Not sure of the species though.

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#45 2020-11-10 16:21:50

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Re: It's a sad day for America

glittersloth wrote:

...
Edit:
If you mean pets, Trump does have one. His name's Kanye. Not sure of the species though.

I have a Westie as well. He's called Bernie  cool


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#46 2020-11-10 22:00:15

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Re: It's a sad day for America

glittersloth wrote:
twoion wrote:

...but it's sad to see all those memes go

The one I'll probably miss the most is his caricature in one of my favourite current manga.

I think the best was how South Park commented on the 2016 election across at least 2 seasons (19-20 I think). Putting the gay-who-hates-gays teacher in his role, that was genius. He was so scared by the prospect of actually winning that he tried to alienate his voters by any means possible, but whatever crap he spouted, they just shouted: "He tells it like it is!"
Yes, US American elections are often entertaining, but not necessarily funny.


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