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#1 2018-11-13 23:24:43

mrneilypops
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EveningWm

Mr.messyhair wrote:

Manage windows while sipping on some evening tea wink

Getting prepped to check this awesome looking wm on a fresh Void linux base [20181111] install...wish me luck wink

67 SLOC cool

Screenshot-from-2018-11-14-00-19-00.th.pngzy0hoxsicvx11.th.png

https://gitlab.com/mrmessyhair/eveningwm
https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comme … ing_again/
https://voidlinux.org/news/2018/11/new-images.html

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#2 2018-11-13 23:32:08

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Re: EveningWm

big_smile  big_smile

You may as well like the TinyWM  wink Definitely less than 50 SLOC


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#3 2018-11-13 23:33:53

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Re: EveningWm

@iMBeCil
Thanks. on my todo list...

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#4 2018-11-14 00:48:28

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Re: EveningWm

Now who can get to be the lightest yet fully functional WM? Something like that should be a great fallback should your fave WM/DE crap the bed (until you can fix it).

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#5 2018-11-14 02:28:18

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Re: EveningWm

mrneilypops wrote:

67 SLOC cool

so... it doesn't really do anything.
if you were using this to be able to run Xorg on a 1995 laptop i'd understand, but on a 4K monitor with 32GB of RAM - why, oh why...

no, i prefer:
key- and mousebinds
EWMH compliance
configurability

and still the upper half of my 8GB Ram is getting rusty with disuse.

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#6 2018-11-14 10:35:23

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Re: EveningWm

@ohnonot
Just playing on a spare machine.
You do make a good point.

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#7 2018-11-14 15:02:46

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Re: EveningWm

ohnonot wrote:
mrneilypops wrote:

67 SLOC cool

so... it doesn't really do anything.
if you were using this to be able to run Xorg on a 1995 laptop i'd understand, but on a 4K monitor with 32GB of RAM - why, oh why...

no, i prefer:
key- and mousebinds
EWMH compliance
configurability

and still the upper half of my 8GB Ram is getting rusty with disuse.

+ 100

cwm is about as minimal as I ever want to get with a window manager.


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#8 2018-11-14 16:08:43

mrneilypops
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Re: EveningWm

EveningWM installed on Void linux  wink

2018-11-14-170511_1920x1080_scrot.th.png

a work in progress...quite enjoyable but early days...

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#9 2018-11-14 21:45:56

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Re: EveningWm

@PackRat, cwm was one of the few that I tried, I loved a lot of things about it and hated a couple, IIRC. My best scrot was a cwm desktop (the grasshopper one that I didn't save and is lost online). awesome was my best minimal desktop experience, other than Openbox and #!/BL (didn't save any scrots of that awesome setup, either).

There are a bunch of managers that I've never tried but I'm curious about, bspwm being at the top of my list...

https://www.slant.co/topics/390/~best-w … -for-linux

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#10 2018-11-15 02:31:48

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Re: EveningWm

hhh wrote:

There are a bunch of managers that I've never tried but I'm curious about, bspwm being at the top of my list...

Xmonad is another interesting one on that list; takes some effort to set up, but some of the user contributed layouts are pretty cool.

bspwm - give it a shot.

@mrneilypops - you using anything like sxhkd for key bindings?

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#11 2018-11-15 07:10:46

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Re: EveningWm

mrneilypops wrote:

EveningWM installed on Void linux  wink

that's a nice screenshot.
so what does eveningwm do?
usability etc?

PS:
of course one could use such a minimalistic wm and re-introduce some functionality with external apps, like a hotkey daemon etc.
i wonder if eveningwm would even react to a command like 'xdotool windowmove ...'?

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#12 2018-11-15 08:38:46

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Re: EveningWm

My own preference is reasonable simple WM with human readable config file.

When I started with #! long time ago, I was enthusiastic about ability to configure, by simple means(!), right click actions, compared to gnome for example.

Then I realized that OpenBox config file(s) are too cluttered with unnecessary and redundant stuff, and moved to PekWM, which has had a nice config files.

Soon I discovered that I spent lot of times adjusting windows sizes and positions - in general tiling the windows on screen. Hence, it occured to me that I should try perhaps a tiling WM. I tried awesome awesomewm, but to configure it properly I should have learn lua, and still config files would have lots of 'junk' (lua statements).

Finally I settled on i3wm: tiller, human readable config files, reasonable functional, supported by devs, works with dmenu, has goodies (i3block, for eample); and never looked back.

Other minimalistic WMs: dwm, ratpoison ... interesting stuff, and certainly fun to configure, but I don't have really time for all this.

My 2 cents ...


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#13 2018-11-15 13:15:43

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Re: EveningWm

Out of curiosity, is there a MorningWM?

Oh, and I can't believe Funnel-Head (or anyone else) didn't mention SithWM, arguarbly the greatest window manager ever, and it's got testimonials to back up that claim.

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#14 2018-11-15 13:26:00

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Re: EveningWm

be a nice wm to run from a vm and such.

It seems like it is similar to dwm in that the config is part of the program.


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#15 2018-11-15 14:20:16

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Re: EveningWm

glittersloth wrote:

Oh, and I can't believe Funnel-Head didn't mention SithWM, arguarbly the greatest window manager ever, and it's got testimonials to back up that claim.

Naaaah. Although it look interesting/funny, it is not tiller. Besides, I'm not a type of person who c*ms whenever sees StarWars reference ... For me, certain other things results in such reaction.


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#16 2018-11-15 19:59:41

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Re: EveningWm

I found it interesting to try.

The main problems I found so far with EveningWM;

1. Windows and terminals require focus before a keyboard input is recognised-dev working on this.
2. EveningWM is unable to ignore bars, docks at this time - TBD I believe.

I will be revisiting this project - big similarities with dwm.
As some of you know I like dwm [https://dwmx.orgwink

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#17 2018-11-15 22:34:37

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Re: EveningWm

mrneilypops wrote:

I found it interesting to try.

The main problems I found so far with EveningWM;

1. Windows and terminals require focus before a keyboard input is recognised-dev working on this.
2. EveningWM is unable to ignore bars, docks at this time - TBD I believe.

I will be revisiting this project - big similarities with dwm.
As some of you know I like dwm [https://dwmx.orgwink

You might like these two then if you're window manager hopping -

Small window manager - originally based on TinyWm

goomw window manager - - I believe this is the developer that did musca window manager.


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#18 2018-11-16 11:37:17

mrneilypops
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Re: EveningWm

@Packrat
Thanks for the info.

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#19 2018-11-16 16:28:15

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Re: EveningWm

See, I got hooked on awesome and can't bear to try any others. smile


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#20 2018-12-07 19:28:14

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Re: EveningWm

ohnonot wrote:

so what does eveningwm do?

For this project reading the C code would probably be faster than reading a man page smile

https://gitlab.com/mrmessyhair/eveningw … veningwm.c

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#21 2018-12-08 08:32:57

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Re: EveningWm

^ so it's just a thin wrapper for some Xlib libraries (key events and windows, afaics).

with hardcoded keybinds.

this is fien for people who love to compile their own, but i will always prefer dwm in that case i guess.

also i vaguely remember reading about 2 different X libraries, one of them is old and what many people use, the other one slightly newer and much more efficient... can't remember if one of them was Xlib and what the other was...

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#22 2018-12-08 18:57:21

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Re: EveningWm

ohnonot wrote:

also i vaguely remember reading about 2 different X libraries, one of them is old and what many people use, the other one slightly newer and much more efficient... can't remember if one of them was Xlib and what the other was...

xcb  wink


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#23 2018-12-09 10:04:06

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Re: EveningWm

^ that was it. thanks!

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#24 2018-12-09 10:06:42

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Re: EveningWm

You're welcome. (I3wm and awesome-wm brag about it, as a asynchronous, hence faster, alternative to the Xlib.)


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#25 2018-12-09 10:33:31

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Re: EveningWm

^ i've read some more serious comparison once. didn't understand a lot, but i believed them.

o9000, tint2 doesn't require that sort of library at all?

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