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#26 2019-01-05 19:53:42

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Re: Hardware Recommendations for Laptop Please

^ Noted. Honestly, I hadn't even heard of GearBest, but then again, I don't think I've ever bought a new laptop outside the manufacturer's official site before. Sorry for your (non-monetary) loss. Also, I'm sorry, but that bit at the end about the whole order falling apart because of the freebie HDMI cable was kind of hilarious. That and the Hebrew surname you used.   lol

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#27 2019-01-06 09:51:23

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Re: Hardware Recommendations for Laptop Please

glittersloth wrote:

That and the Hebrew surname you used.   lol

i used my real name, but edited the PDF before i put it online.

it's a pity; that particular jumper ezbook 3 (stupid name) ticked (almost) all my boxes - and at that price!


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#28 2019-01-06 12:57:08

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^ Aaawww, that's disappointing. I figured you were the type to use a prepaid debit card purchased with cryptocurrency under an alias (all done via multiple encrypted tunnels) and have deliveries sent to a mail forwarding service owned by one of your shell companies sad

Joking aside, it is a pity. I was lurking the day you started the thread, hoping to get a review of what you eventually bought, for future reference.

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#29 2019-01-07 03:08:59

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Re: Hardware Recommendations for Laptop Please

About accelerated video--I doubt that BL or Debian has it just work out of the box with Intel GPUs; you have to install some va-api packages and have the correct player set up,as well as use the intel driver and not the modesetting one. MX Linux still needs those installs, too. Older machines like the Dells mentioned probably don't support hevc codecs in hardware, either.

I do have working with VLC 3.0.5 in the MX test repo in MX 18, as well as QMPlay2. Since we updated Mesa and the libva packages to support newer hardware OOTB, that broke the va-api in Debian's vlc-3.0.3 we shipped in MX 18.

$ vlc BigBuckBunny_2000hevc.mp4 
VLC media player 3.0.5 Vetinari (revision 3.0.5-1-0-g653c0c1ca8)
[000055cbbe1041a0] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface.
Could not resolve property : linearGradient4837
Could not resolve property : linearGradient4837
Could not resolve property : linearGradient4837
libva info: VA-API version 1.3.0
libva info: va_getDriverName() returns 0
libva info: Trying to open /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/i965_drv_video.so
libva info: Found init function __vaDriverInit_1_3
libva info: va_openDriver() returns 0
[00007f31f4c05990] avcodec decoder: Using Intel i965 driver for Intel(R) Coffee Lake - 2.2.0 for hardware decoding
QObject::~QObject: Timers cannot be stopped from another thread

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#30 2019-01-07 20:18:58

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Re: Hardware Recommendations for Laptop Please

not sure i'm going to go with debian on a new laptop.

in any case, it's a hardware thing - if the GPU doesn't support decoding HEVC, it doesn't matter which distro/kernel you use - your machine will get very hot and you're much more likely to get stuttering - all depending on how powerful the CPU is.


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#31 2019-02-14 09:14:18

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Re: Hardware Recommendations for Laptop Please

holy crap that support ticket.

150 points which equals to 3 USD to your account.

This had me in stitches. On the note of hardware - I have sold my Latitude and bought a ThinkPad T470. Love it so far, got it cheaper than others due to it having atrocious 1366x768 screen which I am going to replace today as I have ordered a 1080p IPS panel.

I wanted to run Pop_OS on it but I think I miss the simplicity of BL.

And something about its RAM usage at 1.2GB after startup... Nothing beats 248MB from BL.


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#32 2019-02-14 10:00:17

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ohnonot, so what became of your laptop quest? BTW Firefox will be using per-domain processes in the future, further increasing its minimum RAM use. So I wouldn't go with a laptop that has or supports less than 16G anymore; I have 8G and running my Windows VM (3G RAM) for my tax software, MS Office and Adobe Acrobat needs will already cause several G of Linux' Firefox to be swapped out (not a big problem because I have a SSD, but still). Add to that a few open PDFs on Linux, a real desktop environment and it's getting scarce. Maybe not entirely ready for 2030.

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#33 2019-02-15 21:33:40

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i don't really need a laptop. Want, not need. For me, It's like a 2nd bicycle, really useful and good to have but not essential. so i laid the quest to rest or at least pause.

currently i feel inspired by reports of many (young) people using old, dumb mobile phones instead of smartphones. with the unspoken necessity of owning a not-too-large laptop, i presume.
The unsolvable problem (for me) is that no laptop suitable for typing can be small enough to be as mobile as even the largest phone... sad
So once again I question how exactly i can satisfy my mobile tech needs...

Yes I will pursue this again some time soon, but it will be more along the lines of making a good catch on the 2nd hand market when the opportunity arises...

Another thing is that I have also given up on trying to buy a Librem 5; open hard- and software phones are popping up everywhere now and we will see how all this develops in the near future... maybe Librem 5 v2.0 will be much better, or maybe something even better (and maybe a little cheaper) will pop up...

Owning less computers also means less hacking and less tinkering. I spend too much time already and do not derive too much joy from complex administrative tasks (though i do usually enjoy the outcome).


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#34 2019-02-15 21:50:39

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Re: Hardware Recommendations for Laptop Please

For a feature-rich, small machine with phone capability - I have one of these on order. And it comes with Debian pre-installed smile


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#35 2019-02-15 22:01:40

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damo wrote:

I have one of these on order.

and how long has it been?
i've been watching their development for ~2years now... roll


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#36 2019-02-15 22:31:05

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Yeah sad  I keep up with the news though, and it looks like production of the final parts is close to happening.


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#37 2019-02-16 11:15:07

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damo wrote:

it looks like production of the final parts is close to happening.

i think i literally read this on one of their websites more than a year ago.
ok, i know i'm being snarky, i'll stop now. good luck with it!
i seriously considered the pyra for a while, but that's just... by the time it comes out most of its components won't be worth sh!t anymore.


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#38 2019-02-16 20:40:33

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ohnonot, why don't you grab a second hand beefed up x220/x230 thinkpad? it's 12.5", can come in 1080p and have up to 16gb of ram and cost peanuts - £100 for crap grade, £150 for refurb. has got two batteries, one of which can be extended to give you ~10hrs of uptime.

honestly I'm now a ThinkPad fanboy!

edit: also, these are super duper customisable. I have already replaced screen in mine.

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#39 2019-02-16 21:27:57

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Re: Hardware Recommendations for Laptop Please

cherkie wrote:

ohnonot, why don't you grab a second hand beefed up x220/x230 thinkpad?

read the rest of the thread, you will know exactly why.


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#40 2019-02-16 22:37:53

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Yeah I read it and still unsure. But since you said you're putting this on backburner this discussion is moot.


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#41 2019-02-17 08:28:01

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cherkie wrote:

Yeah I read it and still unsure.

i really don't see why you're unsure. both x220 and x230 were specifically mentioned in this thread and i dismissed them for a very specific reason.
see posts #5, #9 and #30 for context. In one word: video playback.


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#42 2019-11-02 08:27:43

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@damo: how's that pyra coming along?

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I got a used thinkpad x250 a few days ago.
Bargained down to 200€. I am a happy camper. It ticks all the boxes from my OP - small enough, all intel, a nice matte IPS display, battery life seems good enough (had it on standby - not hibernation! - since wednesday).
It can hardware-decode HEVC (I'm not getting hung up on one particular codec, it's just my yardstick for GPU capabilities) - although it's a borderline case and I had to do some research to decide whether this CPU supports it or not - apparently "Clear Video" is the keyword.
And the connectivity! Ethernet plug, WiFi and a working WWAN modem, i.e. a SIM-card slot for mobile data!

I installed system76's Pop_OS just to get going. Everything works. But I cannot use GNOME, so let the bikeshedding commence:
What distro should I use on this? Apart from BL of course...


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#43 2019-11-02 08:57:18

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Re: Hardware Recommendations for Laptop Please

solus kde

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#44 2019-11-02 10:07:31

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Depends on what you want, I guess?

In a similar predicament myself. Tried Ubuntu on Windows* WSL when I got a new laptop recently, but have yet to give any Ubuntu 19.10 variant a go on bare metal. Currently running Fedora 31. It's good if you like Gnome. I don't like Gnome, but am giving myself time to see if that opinion changes. Currently limiting myself by keeping Secure Boot active, so some of the battery calibration and charge threshold options afforded by TLP aren't available to me (at least until natacpi comes in, hopefully by kernel 5.4), so I plan to do a fresh install of something after disabling Secure Boot, just haven't found time, or decided on a distro. Ubuntu Mate seems nice though. Not interested in putting Arch or Void on this laptop (at least not yet). Everyone seems to be talking about Intel's Clear Linux - likers praise its snappiness, haters say it's Intel spyware - so maybe I'll give that a go.

Why not just try all the different Ubuntu spins (just make sure to remove that Amazon and Snap crap) until you find a DE/WM setup you like, and the go about finding a distro with a good implementation of that setup (eg: MX Linux for Xfce, or Solus for Budgie), or roll your own imitation of it with Arch?

*because I was waiting for a BIOS update to be released. Yes, I could use fwupdmgr on Linux, but the Windows .exe version makes it easier to embed your own image to replace the boot splash (to do that on Linux I need to download bootable .iso and use geteltorito to convert it to .img and then dd to a thumbdrive and if something goes wrong I'll brick the laptop) and I desperately wanted to replace the stock "Lenovo" with my own "TwatPad" logo. Yes, juvenile and superficial, I realize, but hey, my flicker-free boot process on Fedora is a lot more inviting now =P

I miss those swappable batteries on older ThinkPads (I think your X250 supports up to a 72wh battery, which makes me jealous). This sealed battery nonsense on laptops is so user-hostile. Much worse than smartphones removing the headphone jack. Grrr....

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#45 2019-11-02 13:47:07

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I would go Archlinux on that laptop ohnonot, just my opinion.

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#46 2019-11-02 22:09:23

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Thanks all.

It has two batteries! Apparently I can change the bigger one while the system is running.
Unfortunately the (internal) battery is always at 5% and all battery monitors seem to calculate the combined values - so right now the actual battery is at 30%, and the internal is - as always - at 5%, and it tells me that my batteries are at 18%.  mad
Well, that's a minor annoyance, but... system76's Pop!_OS got that right.

Because I installed bunsenlabs now. I'll give it a few days in terms of power management and overall functionality.
The install was wonderful, I don't understand why people always dis the debian installer. I guess only those that are too stupid to be given any real choices.

What do I want? My biggest concern right now is getting all these power management things working, preferably ootb, because I don't trust myself setting them up manually.
Beyond that - Ubuntu & Co. isn't a No-No per se, but I'd prefer to avoid these and stay closer to the core.
And I'm not a friend of GNOME at all.


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#47 2019-11-02 22:48:25

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Re: Hardware Recommendations for Laptop Please

I'm really taken by Sparky Linux  MinimalGUI.  Endlessly customizable, fast on even my old core2 duo. Not bad minimal number of included programs. So reminds me of BL. (patiently waiting...) Been running the Semi-Rolling branch, not the first glitch. (so far, only been a week 24/7)
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 812#p92812

A list of packages I printed out the other day.

Bullseye/Openbox/tint2
https://sparkylinux.org/download/rolling/

Buster/Openbox/tint2
https://sparkylinux.org/download/stable/

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#48 2019-11-02 23:11:59

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Re: Hardware Recommendations for Laptop Please

This may be old hat for some of you, but I found it clever. A self updating menu/dashbord using yad.

if [ -d /tmp/sparky-dash ]; then
	rm -rf /tmp/sparky-dash
fi
mkdir /tmp/sparky-dash
cp -a /usr/share/applications/*.desktop /tmp/sparky-dash/
cd /tmp/sparky-dash
EXCLUDE=`find * -type f -exec grep -l 'NoDisplay=true' {} \;`
rm -f $EXCLUDE

yad --icons --read-dir=/tmp/sparky-dash --monitor --item-width=100\
 --sort-by-name --center --undecorated --skip-taskbar --borders=20\
 --button="Cancel!gtk-cancel":1 --buttons-layout=center --maximized

rm -rf /tmp/sparky-dash
exit 0

Not particularity attractive, but clever.

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Edit:

thunar-settings2.th.png

It's just something to use 'till you configure your own right-click menu.

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#49 2019-11-03 01:13:31

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Re: Hardware Recommendations for Laptop Please

Updated sparky-dashboard to only show the applications I use regularly, and changed it to single column, which is quicker to read than full screen (think newspaper columns) and moved it over to the left. Because I can :-)

#!/bin/bash

# The Sparky dashboard displays installed applications 
#    into yad based window. 
# Created by Paweł "pavroo" Pijanowski 2018/05/09
# Copyright 2018 under the GNU GPL2 License
# Last updated 2018/05/17
# Modified 2019/02/11 Al Anger

if [ -d /tmp/sparky-dash ]; then
	rm -rf /tmp/sparky-dash
fi
mkdir /tmp/sparky-dash
cp -a /usr/share/applications/*.desktop /tmp/sparky-dash/
cd /tmp/sparky-dash
EXCLUDE=`find * -type f -exec grep -l 'NoDisplay=true' {} \;`
rm -f $EXCLUDE
EXCLUDE_NotMine=`find * -type f -exec grep -l 'NotMine=true' {} \;`
rm -f $EXCLUDE_NotMine

yad --icons --read-dir=/tmp/sparky-dash --monitor --item-width=100\
 --sort-by-name --left --undecorated --skip-taskbar --borders=20\
 --button="Cancel!gtk-cancel":1 --buttons-layout=center --width=230\
 --height=1000\

rm -rf /tmp/sparky-dash
exit 0

New_dashboard.th.png

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Sorry to hijack your thread /o\

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#50 2019-11-03 08:27:09

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^ that's ok.
Sparky is a good tip; how does it fare wrt power management and everything laptop-specific? I'm woefully undereducated in that department.


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