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#1 2017-05-31 14:59:21

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BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

I notied this recent small discussion of BunsenLabs versus Crunchbang++ on reddit:

[reddit thread]

The one poster mentions not being able to get into the BL community which I assume he means the forum. I know what he means, since I use a VPN quite a bit especially when traveling, and there appears to be a ban in certain IPs of which some VPNs are on that list. I change servers or shut down the VPN if I want to get in badly enough, but probably some vpn users who would be interested in BL don't know to do this. Anyway...the thread is above.


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#2 2017-05-31 16:20:25

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

And this:

[–]rob_pi 2 points 3 hours ago

The hissy fit that the bunsen community had when crunchbang++ emerged put me off ever using bunsen. My vote would go to crunchbang++.

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twoion has blocked IP addresses known for "spammers" possibly the above user is somewhere in there.


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#3 2017-05-31 18:17:17

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

reddit OP wrote:

The machine is a Thinkpad X200

I recommend OpenBSD for that device, it's lighter than either BunsenLabs or #!++ and the hardware support is better.

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For the record, I'm pretty sure that I have at least attempted to answer support queries about #!++ on these forums.


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#4 2017-05-31 18:46:22

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

I have a Lenovo X200 that was on Crunchbang and is now on BunsenLabs and it runs excellently with BunsenLabs.


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#5 2017-05-31 18:50:46

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

I don't think I have ever seen you turn down helping anyone and it's never mattered what they use.  That's also the same for anyone here to the best of my knowledge.

At least I don't recall ever seeing anyone turn down a help request because it was for #!++

Thing about the "reddit" post is the persona can't even see to email "administrator@bunsenlabs.org" - at least I think that's what twoion uses.  sad


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#6 2017-05-31 20:58:45

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

Curious if anyone here has ever even tried the CB++ thing ? Haven't and truthfully have no plans to, shrugs. If anyone has what were your impressions and findings about that distro ? Thanks in advance andddddd

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#7 2017-05-31 21:28:00

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

I use CB++ and prefer it to Bunsenlabs.

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#8 2017-05-31 21:36:35

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

^^ I have not and still in anger for him/them not respecting corepas wish to not use the term crunchbang again.
The majority of the old #!forumgang is on par with that. Reason to be here.

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#9 2017-05-31 21:45:35

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^ Agreed and think remember giving the person behind CB++ more than a bit of a digital lashing when they popped up in the #! forum. Not planning on ever installing it regardless. If found myself wanting/needing some pre-config'ed and kickbutt Debian stable minimalism I know where to come, right here to Bunsenlabs central. big_smile

@Beaker ... care to elaborate a bit fellow nixer ? You run and prefer it, which is fine of course. Though curious as to why ? What's different and/or better in it vs BL in your opinion ?

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#10 2017-05-31 23:59:45

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

OK, I may have opened a can of worms with my post, quoting a post from reddit.  I apologize.

I am however asking that things end here.  No flames, no "what was right, what was wrong".  It's been a couple of years now.  Let the waters pass under the bridge peacefully please.

We are here, some are not. Some new folks have found Bunsen and have no prior understanding of #! having never used it.

PEACE! Please.


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#11 2017-06-01 00:43:41

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

^ No worries Sector but you're kinda jumping the gun my friend. smile Shouldn't be any flaming and asking about Beakers findings and thoughts as to what differentiates and makes CB++ his preference was a sincere question. Out of curiousity would like to know and if there is something that turns out to be better incorporated into that distro great. Bunsenlabs would then be aware of it and perhaps utilize it too.

Long been standard operating procedure in all things gnu/Linux. One distro comes out with a feature or utility etc, others adopt it or port or whatever to take advantage of it too. Totally fair game ... and makes the Nixsphere a better place for everybody.

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#12 2017-06-01 02:07:07

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

Q&A's are cool, I'd rather jump the gun on the side of caution than have a cleanup to do.


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#13 2017-06-01 02:12:13

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

Sector11 wrote:

Q&A's are cool, I'd rather jump the gun on the side of caution than have a cleanup to do.

That's the best policy ever...if there was a like button I'd click it on your post!


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#14 2017-06-01 02:28:33

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

I like da hades out of Sector but nopers definitely wouldn't hit any such button. You/Sector had no reason to apologize fellow nixer, it's a forum and is meant for such discussion and the topic of the OP is totally within reason.

Really don't see a reason for apology, nor any type of warning or peace plea. Am sure people here are capable of discussing techie things like adults and if not, then yeah, you and plenty of experienced Mods around to address anything that becomes a problem. Still actually would like Beaker's insights into this vs that.

Sheesh really as with most things in life, likely much better approach to try it and see for myself. Ah nah, not going through the hassle of setting up a kvm-vm and then having to do x,y,z etc to see. Am not that interested in CB++ anyway.

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#15 2017-06-01 06:25:47

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

Though after-thought:

Only tried BL Hydrogen and it looked to be kick-arse gnu/Linux. Light-weight and full featured just as classic #!. Really can't imagine anything could be better with the CB++ thing, at least not seeing how it'd be possible, shrugs.

Could care less what x-nixer prefers and am totally fine with whatever someone prefers and runs for whatever reasons but believe/know you folks in the BL team did a great job of preserving kickbutt Debian minimalism and yep, hats off to you and can't help but approve of the end-result.

There's room for CB++ too and it's one of those competition benefits everyone in the end things in my view. Though yeppers, I always totally advocate checking out the competition too. No matter what though, BL tickles my fancy and gets a thumbs up, nothing against CB++ for all I know it's kickbutt too, shrugs.

Yet it's obvious I'm biased towards BL and hope it/you wipe da floor up with any and all competitors in this particular Nix niche, time will tell, time will tell. big_smile

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#16 2017-06-01 16:48:43

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

@bizcuit - CB++ is faster, quicker, lighter. Bunsenlabs is designed by committee and it shows. It has gained significant bloat, cruft and bs. It is not lightweight.

Just my opinion.

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#17 2017-06-01 17:12:47

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

^ Thanks for the feedback beaker.

lowrider wrote:

anger for him/them not respecting corepas wish to not use the term crunchbang again

Whilst I understand the sentiment, I think it is important to note that @corenominal himself tweeted that he had no problems with @computermouth using the name again.


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#18 2017-06-01 17:12:59

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

@beaker, what bloat does bunsenlabs have that cb++ doesn't?

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#19 2017-06-01 19:00:03

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

No worries Beaker and thanks. Hydrogen 64bit was using all of 200mbs-ram and was very fast and responsive when I dorked with it. Seemed to be like pure classic #! though hey, also agree with you too. Just about everything gnu/Linux can be lightened up and further tweaked.

Though here in 2017 any distro ootb only pulling 200mbs is ultra-light and should blaze along fine. Someone in LM forums said the BL 32bit release was at like 104mbs. Always room for improvement and again Beaker thanks fellow nixer for the insight.

Sounds like CB++ will/can blaze along great, though so can BL too though. Am sure if installed either would end up tweaking all hades out of them to get faster/lighter.

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#20 2017-06-01 20:53:58

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

^ Thanks for the feedback beaker.

lowrider wrote:

anger for him/them not respecting corepas wish to not use the term crunchbang again

Whilst I understand the sentiment, I think it is important to note that @corenominal himself tweeted that he had no problems with @computermouth using the name again.

True he did. But as i remember he first said please do not use the name cb again, then comes @computermouth thinking idc and put cb++ in the wild and for @corenominals own reason which of course idk he tweeted he had no problems with...

Anyway a bad taste in my mouth stays. Long may you live cb++ but not with me. Peace @all

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#21 2017-06-01 21:30:42

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

My opinion was asked so I gave it (and it is just an opinion). Make no mistake, Bunsenlabs is still a mighty fine distro and the forums second to none.

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#22 2017-06-01 22:12:20

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

No. My opinion was asked but the post has since been edited... But you don't know that.

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#23 2017-06-01 22:20:33

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

beaker wrote:

My opinion was asked so I gave it (and it is just an opinion). Make no mistake, Bunsenlabs is still a mighty fine distro and the forums second to none.

Thank you.

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#24 2017-06-01 22:33:12

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Yes Sector. Time for a coffee. I think this thread should be closed. It's really going nowhere.

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#25 2017-06-01 22:34:44

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Re: BL and CB++ discussion ongoing at reddit

beaker wrote:

No. My opinion was asked but the post has since been edited... But you don't know that.

Your opinion was asked for, as you say. I am still curious for the details of the differences between the two spins though. For example cbpp apparently includes gimp, whereas BL has it as an install option - this implies that in this case cbpp is more bloated wink

ATM I'm not intending to d/l and install cbpp to make a direct comparison, so your feedback would be appreciated.


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