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#1 2016-06-14 15:21:40

saneks
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Registered: 2015-09-29
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Need advice for laptop purchase

Hi folks, I need to spend some money on Hardware.

Can someone recommend a nice new laptop?
Should play nice with Linux Dual Boot and have a excellent Display, since I do a lot of graphical work for print.
Need windows as well to run certain programs.

Contemplating even to get a Macbook, but then again I like if stuff can be repaired and Batteries changed when they fail.

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#2 2016-06-14 15:39:43

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Re: Need advice for laptop purchase

Well, Macs have shiny displays which makes them be pretty unsuitable for on-screen work, IMO. Their color reproduction is also questionable. Being provided with a Macbook at work, it's impossible to use it without a 500$ matte 30" monitor connected for extended periods of screen time. It has good support for booting Windows though built in so that might be a huge win for you.

Thinkpads have rather nice matte displays available however the devices in general come nowadays with a lot of build and overall hardware quality tradeoffs and are kind of hard to recommend. Not too good price/value anymore. They also have IPS displays which tend to have not-so-deep blacks and to leak some backlight at their borders (varies slightly from display to display). Thinkpads are "made primarily" for Windows so in any case you can have that too. I have a x240, can't recommend. Get one if they offer it for 100$ or something ;>

There is a company in Germany called Schenker which makes high-end laptops – "mobile workstations" (what thinkchinkpads aren't anymore). You can get full-metal cases and the top end of hardware with excellent build quality. They also offer matte screen options. More value for money than a 2000+$ Macbook but also quite pricey. They seem to have a division called XMG which focuses on gaming laptops instead. Check out your local vendors too.

If you get a device that has two graphics cards (like Intel+AMD or Intel+Nvidia) it seems like you can pass one of the cards through to a virtualized Windows instance using qemu+kvm. E.g. you could pass the discrete graphics card through to Windows for performance-dependent graphics stuff and keep the slow Intel card for Linux/X11. Obviously you'd need an external display.


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#3 2016-06-14 16:53:32

cloverskull
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Registered: 2015-10-01
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Re: Need advice for laptop purchase

I've had really good experience on the Dell Precision line of laptops. I've owned all of the M6400, M6500, and M6600. They dual boot well (dual physical hard drives) and have discrete as well as onboard GPUs. They're just...enormous. But they're easy to work on if/when they break.

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#4 2016-06-14 18:38:56

Horizon_Brave
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Registered: 2015-10-18
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Re: Need advice for laptop purchase

cloverskull wrote:

I've had really good experience on the Dell Precision line of laptops. I've owned all of the M6400, M6500, and M6600. They dual boot well (dual physical hard drives) and have discrete as well as onboard GPUs. They're just...enormous. But they're easy to work on if/when they break.

+1 to this! If mobility isn't your biggest requirement ( I know laptops sort of imply some sort of mobile needs)  then I really would suggest something with dual HDD/SDD's.  If you're doing a lot of graphical processing you'll probably want to make sure your system is up to snuff in the memory area.   Also if money isn't *too* much of an issue, try going for one of the more "business" line computers. Most manufactuerers have a consumer line of product and an enterprise.  Usually the business laptops are free of junk/bloat ware, and are more reliable..of course they are more stripped down in terms of creature comforts and are a bit pricier.


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#5 2016-06-14 20:28:10

shadowplay
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From: Dublin, Ireland
Registered: 2015-10-24
Posts: 57

Re: Need advice for laptop purchase

I guess it comes down to your budget.

My current laptop is an Asus X550CA and has run numerous Linux distros without any problems (wifi, function keys, etc, all work). Can't remember exactly, but think it was about 600 EUR, so didn't break the bank. I've had it about 18 months, and no issues. I get about 4hours battery, but it never leaves the house, so battery life isn't something i worry about.

I've never tried dual booting, but shouldn't be an issue. The BIOS has the abilty to turn off secure boot, which is nice.

I tried putting FreeBSD and OpenBSD on it, but neither would boot. I didn't feel like investing time to debug it.

I previously had a HP Pavillion (can't remember the exact model), but the physical build quality was attrocious. It was very inexpensive, which I guess with hindsight, was reflected in its quality. Parts of the casing came lose (split along the seams), the lid became a bit lose.  1/10, wouldn't recommend.

In case you're interested, here's the spec of the ASUS:

System:    Host: bunsenlabs Kernel: 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit)
           Desktop: Openbox 3.5.2 Distro: BunsenLabs 8.5 bunsen-hydrogen
Machine:   Mobo: ASUSTeK model: X550CA v: 1.0
           Bios: American Megatrends v: X550CA.300 date: 03/24/2014
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i5-3337U (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           Clock Speeds: 1: 822 MHz 2: 839 MHz 3: 800 MHz 4: 2473 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1366x768@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 10.3.2
Audio:     Card Intel 7 Series/C210 Series Family High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.16.0-4-amd64
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: r8169
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 78:24:af:b3:5b:7b
           Card-2: Ralink RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe driver: rt2800pci
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 90:48:9a:aa:6b:bf
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 750.2GB (6.6% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: ST750LM022_HN size: 750.2GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 8.2G used: 2.9G (37%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-1
           ID-2: /boot size: 236M used: 39M (18%) fs: ext2 dev: /dev/sda1
           ID-3: /tmp size: 360M used: 2.1M (1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-4
           ID-4: /home size: 665G used: 32G (6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-5
           ID-5: /var size: 2.7G used: 381M (15%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-2
           ID-6: swap-1 size: 12.64GB used: 0.01GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/dm-3
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 54.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 173 Uptime: 1:01 Memory: 634.5/5869.7MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.1.28

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#6 2017-10-16 12:51:52

liza123
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Registered: 2017-10-16
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Re: Need advice for laptop purchase

Hello,


I need some advice regarding buying the laptop for my son such as price, features, warranty, processor, and RAM also so please give me suggestion about it.

online laptop shopping

Last edited by liza123 (2017-10-21 05:13:56)

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#7 2017-10-16 14:18:48

martix
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Registered: 2016-02-19
Posts: 1,267

Re: Need advice for laptop purchase

twoion wrote:

I have a x240, can't recommend.

Oh, why not? That's a sturdy business grade laptop. The Thinkpad X-line is quite popular.

Otherwise I do agree @H_B, choosing an enterprise grade machine is a wise decision.

Last edited by martix (2017-10-16 14:19:21)

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#8 2017-10-16 15:59:03

glittersloth
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Registered: 2015-09-30
Posts: 745

Re: Need advice for laptop purchase

twoion wrote:

Well, Macs have shiny displays which makes them be pretty unsuitable for on-screen work, IMO. Their color reproduction is also questionable. Being provided with a Macbook at work, it's impossible to use it without a 500$ matte 30" monitor connected for extended periods of screen time. It has good support for booting Windows though built in so that might be a huge win for you.

Agree with you on the glare, but disagree about the colour. I'm a photographer/retoucher and my needs are different from a programmer's, but in my field, once you take specialist solutions (eg: Eizo ColorEdge series) out of the equation, Apple display colour reproduction - MacBook Pros and iMacs - are among the best available, and most easy to calibrate as well, especially if you're looking for consistency among all the displays in your studio.

Wouldn't recommend Macs for Linux dual boot though. That and they're more overpriced than they've even been in the past.

Last edited by glittersloth (2017-10-16 16:00:55)

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#9 2018-02-28 19:49:29

m1rr0r5h4d35
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Registered: 2017-01-08
Posts: 40

Re: Need advice for laptop purchase

Pretty much anything from Asus is usually at least worth it's asking price. I have had one or two Asus devices that felt a little flimsy, but overall I have never really had one that let me down. I still have a couple old HP desktops from 1999 with Asus motherboards that still fire up and work just fine. You could also check out System 76. They have one or two machines I would love to have, if they weren't so out of my price range.


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#10 2018-03-27 14:34:14

vinzv
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Registered: 2017-09-12
Posts: 185
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Re: Need advice for laptop purchase

twoion wrote:

There is a company in Germany called Schenker which makes high-end laptops – "mobile workstations" (what thinkchinkpads aren't anymore). You can get full-metal cases and the top end of hardware with excellent build quality. They also offer matte screen options. More value for money than a 2000+$ Macbook but also quite pricey. They seem to have a division called XMG which focuses on gaming laptops instead. Check out your local vendors too.

Schenker has a sister company focussing fully on Linux, TUXEDO Computers. Similar product range, built-in components differ as they're Linux-tested. If you want Linux running on your new device guaranteed and "need" tech support for Linux, that's your way to go.

Disclaimer: I work for TUXEDO.

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