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#1 2016-01-29 03:52:58

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Donations

We have a PayPal account. No obligation, but we've had people wanting to help financially and now they can.
https://www.bunsenlabs.org/donations.html

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#2 2016-01-29 04:39:10

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Re: Donations

Enjoy your first 20 dollars! I'll try to throw another $20 into the pot, on a quarterly basis.


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#3 2016-01-29 05:23:23

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Re: Donations

A big thank you @Horizon_Brave, and congratulations on being the first!

As hhh says, no obligation whatsoever, but it does help secure the future of the project.


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#4 2016-01-29 06:18:47

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I should be thanking you all, it's the least I could do... I've taken more than 20 dollars worth of knowledge from this place already..


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#5 2016-01-29 11:41:53

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Re: Donations

My donation is now winging its way through the internet!

A very big thank you to all involved in making BunsenLabs a reality. smile

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#6 2016-01-29 19:13:51

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Re: Donations

why not just a bank account number (IBAN/BIC)?
i'd really like to donate.

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#7 2016-01-30 05:28:54

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Re: Donations

ohnonot wrote:

why not just a bank account number (IBAN/BIC)?
i'd really like to donate.

We lament the fact that we had to fall back to using PayPal, which comes with an associated fee structure for money transfers, and is a private, unregulated company which nobody in their right mind should actually trust. A dedicated bank account could be used to avoid these fees; however, banks operate differently in some ways carrying some cons we chose to avoid over the other:

We wanted to establish mutual control over our finances. We all can review and control transfers. With PayPal this is easy; a bank would have required a length legitimization process. Sharing just online banking credentials wouldn't work really either because banks almost universally forbid this in their Terms of Service, and tend to enforce them  strictly (which is actually a huge plus). I was blocked out of my online account because I logged from different places while being on an international trip.

International bank transfers often come with hefty fees attached, depending on the country. In order to forego these, we would need to set up bank accounts in multiple jurisdictions. This makes mutual control difficult, and also consolidation of funds expensive because of international bank transfers. I suppose you are a resident of the EU, because we transfer almost always at no cost…

We will try and see if we can work something out.


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#8 2016-01-30 05:52:32

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@ohnonot we discussed that, but for international transfers charges are much higher that way.

EDIT sorry I missed twoion's far superior post which came after I loaded the page.


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#9 2016-01-30 12:11:39

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Re: Donations

johnraff wrote:

@ohnonot we discussed that, but for international transfers charges are much higher that way.

i thinknot at least within europe? that's why i mentioned IBAN/BIC, which iirc is a european thing.

twoion wrote:

a private, unregulated company which nobody in their right mind should actually trust.

glad somebody sees it my way.

We will try and see if we can work something out.

i hope so.
i see the problem that some person would actually have to own the bank account (*), but with the fees, it's only a problem for those that would have to pay the fees.
i mean, if you can send money to a bank account for free, you choose that, otherwise you choose paypal, no?
also i'm sure that most (european) countries have at least some banks that have an option for a 100% free (as in no cost involved) bank account.

sorry if i'm sounding eurocentric, but i've lived & transacted in more than 1 european country, so that's an area i'm fairly confident to make statements.
anyhow, i'm not suggesting to remove paypal, but there should be choice.

meanwhile, maybe somebody who's actually using paypal could pm me their bank account number (IBAN/BIC), and donate the money for me?

(*) on the other hand, it could also be an association or something similar.
i know, easier said than done; just trying to think of something.

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#10 2016-01-30 13:20:49

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Re: Donations

ohnonot wrote:

glad somebody sees it my way.

I do ... PayPal is not trustworthy in my books, even though it 'might' be the lesser of a few evils.  Also I'm in the situation that a bank transfer would cost more than what I could donate, and not necessarily in just monetary terms.

A few other hurdles here: For a fistful of dollars


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#11 2016-01-31 06:49:18

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As long as I don't have to have a PayPal account, I'll be donating sometime today.

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#12 2016-01-31 07:18:57

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@twoion, most concise description of the dilemma, evah!

If we didn't have hosting costs, we'd just say screw it no donations. PayPal has built themselves a decent reputation so that's what we're going with for now, for the reasons stated by two.

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#13 2016-01-31 15:47:47

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Sector11 wrote:
ohnonot wrote:

glad somebody sees it my way.

I do ... PayPal is not trustworthy in my books, even though it 'might' be the lesser of a few evils.  Also I'm in the situation that a bank transfer would cost more than what I could donate, and not necessarily in just monetary terms.

A few other hurdles here: For a fistful of dollars

same problem here.. sad


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#14 2016-05-03 08:18:29

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Re: Donations

Now that the "Stable" ISO is out, the entire BunsenLabs Development Team would like to take the time to thank our generous donors. You've seen to it that our hosting costs are covered for the next several years!

(figures are in U.S. Dollars)

J.E.  $10
E.B.  $100
LJMV  $20
C.S.  $5     [Recurring]
P.W.  $20
R.H.  $50
M.S.  $5.23
ACD   $3
A.S.  $3
A.B.  $30
JCVS  $10
M.D.  $75
AJR   $10
JDS   $10
J.V.  $50
D.V.  $30
KVM   $100
W.B.  $500
R.M.  $40
C.F.  $20    <-- got the ball rolling, thanks man!

Thank you all very much! smile

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#15 2016-05-04 01:35:15

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Re: Donations

hhh wrote:

Now that the "Stable" ISO is out, the entire BunsenLabs Development Team would like to take the time to thank our generous donors. You've seen to it that our hosting costs are covered for the next several years!

(figures are in U.S. Dollars)

J.E.  $10
E.B.  $100
LJMV  $20
C.S.  $5     [Recurring]
P.W.  $20
R.H.  $50
M.S.  $5.23
ACD   $3
A.S.  $3
A.B.  $30
JCVS  $10
M.D.  $75
AJR   $10
JDS   $10
J.V.  $50
D.V.  $30
KVM   $100
W.B.  $500
R.M.  $40
C.F.  $20    <-- got the ball rolling, thanks man!

Thank you all very much! smile

Are those our initials or something?  C.F. for me would make sense, and I think I was the first ?


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#16 2016-05-04 02:15:53

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Not only the developers, but all the community here are grateful I'm sure for the generosity of our supporters. This means we don't have to worry about keeping the project online, at least for a while...

Thank you!


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#17 2016-05-04 06:59:19

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Re: Donations

Glad this thread got nudged!
Maybe the mods should also have that link in some of their signatures too?
I completely forgot there was a donation page.

threw enough for a round of coffee into the pot. ops
Keep up the good work!

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#18 2016-05-04 07:21:40

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Re: Donations

For making donating easier, one could also think of creating a #bĺ bitcoin address. The transactions would be public too thanks to the blockchain. Someone who does not want to use paypal or a credit card, could donate in a cost-effective way.

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#19 2018-07-17 09:15:49

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Re: Donations

Hi there, my Paypal donation was not accepted. I guess this happened in error?

I just received this email by Paypal (translation):

"On 16 Jun 2018 you made a payment to BunsenLabs Linux for 10.00 EUR. The money was transferred back into your account. The payment was refunded for the following reasons: BunsenLabs Linux has determined that payments of this type must be accepted or rejected manually. Contact BunsenLabs Linux (**********@bunsenlabs.org) to arrange an alternative payment method."

So how can I donate if I do not have bitcoins?

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#20 2018-07-17 12:02:55

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Re: Donations

Ultraqwertz wrote:

Hi there, my Paypal donation was not accepted. I guess this happened in error?

I just received this email by Paypal (translation):

"On 16 Jun 2018 you made a payment to BunsenLabs Linux for 10.00 EUR. The money was transferred back into your account. The payment was refunded for the following reasons: BunsenLabs Linux has determined that payments of this type must be accepted or rejected manually. Contact BunsenLabs Linux (**********@bunsenlabs.org) to arrange an alternative payment method."

So how can I donate if I do not have bitcoins?

This is a first; we never heard about such a case before.

Apparently, we have 30 days (?) or so to manually accept such payments (whatever is so special about it). The date in your quoted message makes this look likely. If you could just donate again – we will make sure that somebody's going to accept the payment this time.

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#21 2018-07-17 13:17:14

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#22 2018-07-17 13:51:25

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Ultraqwertz wrote:

Hi there, my Paypal donation was not accepted. I guess this happened in error?

Yes. Yours is the first donation we have received in Euros in a long time, maybe ever from what I can see.

There was a filter set that I wasn't aware of requiring manual acceptance of payments in Euros. I spoke with PayPal and removed it. Please resubmit if you still want to donate, and many thanks!

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#23 2018-07-18 21:01:04

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Thank you for taking care of this, I think the problem is fixed.

EUR was the default in my first attempt and I did not bother changing it.

When I just donated "again" via PayPal I could not choose the currency, I could only choose the amount of USD to donate. So please accept those 20 USD this time smile

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#24 2018-07-18 22:24:02

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Re: Donations

Ultraqwertz wrote:

When I just donated "again" via PayPal I could not choose the currency, I could only choose the amount of USD to donate. So please accept those 20 USD this time smile

We appreciate it!

I think I'll call them back. The idea was for anyone to be able to donate in Euros and PayPal would handle the conversion to USD.

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#25 2018-07-19 17:39:30

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hhh wrote:

I think I'll call them back. The idea was for anyone to be able to donate in Euros and PayPal would handle the conversion to USD.

So the customer service rep today said that the conversion is all done on the front end, at donation time. If you donate 19.99 Euros it will display as about 24 U.S. dollars. I can't give them any feedback because I can't see the browser interface.

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