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#51 2015-10-12 20:43:20

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

I moved my Stretch install (https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 2239#p2239) to Sid. Every application works well, LibreOffice, Gimp, Vlc etc. What got upgraded from Jessie to Stretch to Sid were the Debian debs, not the scripts. The additional scripts, bash, python etc were pasted into /usr/bin, /usr/lib, /usr/local/bin and not installed from deb packages, so not to get troubled by any attempted upgrading by Apt. If there were any dependencies, the control info for them are kept in a text file in Documents.

Btw, not even the Virtualbox app got troubled by this Sid upgrade. I had Windows 10 installed in that. A screeny would be posted in Artwork & Screenshots.
https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 2782#p2782

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#52 2015-10-13 06:24:05

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Anyone having issues with Liquorix kernels lately?

I installed it in my main system a few days ago and had to revert back to towo. It freezes at boot. Two days ago I installed it in two VMs (my nice recent Posbang install) and them both are fully borked. For some reasom grub was messed and doesn't display anymore in both machines. They stall at boot and don't see a way to revert back to the former kernels. I didn't saw any warning about grub or anything else.

This also makes me think of a possible HD problem. All the 3 HDs in this very machine are Seagate.

I think it's time to finally give a try to the SuperGrub2Disk iso.

PS, another thing to consider that might be relevant. All these 3 machines are the ones I have around having sysvinit instead of systemd. Gotta try to install the LK into a systemd machine and see what happens.

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#53 2015-10-13 13:16:12

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Yeah, Liquorix doesn''t work on my box as well. Systemd, BL tracking sid so I am guessing you will likely end up with the same results.

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#54 2015-10-13 13:30:00

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

@tknomanzr

Are you saying liquorx isn't compatible wit systemd?


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#55 2015-10-13 14:05:50

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

I think it is more likely that it is just  not configured correctly.

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#56 2015-10-14 07:56:37

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Are you saying liquorx isn't compatible wit systemd?

Nope. Liquorix is having issues lately whatever the init.

Went back to Siduction's towo. All good now.

PS, I (thankfully) managed to revert to the former kernel in my main system, but wasn't able to do it in the two problematic VMs. Got kernel panics at boot every time. Added a secondary VDI clone from another working VM and used its GRUB to be able to boot from there from the different kernels but it didn't worked either. Whatever the kernel I get the same kernel panic. Maybe VirtualBox adds something to this problem. I had to delete one of the VMs and reinstall the other...

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#57 2015-10-14 08:21:09

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Fresh reboot from d-u, vanilla Debian kernel, all ok here. As far as I know that is!


Keep BunsenLabs #!yish please.

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#58 2015-10-14 08:25:18

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

So you don't have aptitude installed, eh? wink

apt-listbugs list aptitude
Retrieving bug reports... Done
Parsing Found/Fixed information... Done
serious bugs of aptitude (→ ) <Outstanding>
 b1 - #801430 - aptitude: segfault when mark remove marked pkgs as purge, aptitudeDepCache::internal_mark_delete loop here
Summary:
 aptitude(1 bug)

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#59 2015-10-14 08:41:26

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

After moving to Sid from Stretch, I cannot use Polish special letters. Before that, I used Polish in Iceweasel, LibreOffice and in terminal. Everything needed for using Polish had been installed. It might get corrected in future dist-upgrades, I hope. I couldn't write my nick here, so had to ask for a change to English letters.

Btw, this problem isn't there in both Arch and Ubuntu Openbox installs.  Arch, Debian Sid and Ubuntu Wily have Linux kernel 4.2.0-*.
Once installed Arch simply work. Ubuntu uses Sid packages, but doesn't give trouble. All three, Arch, Debian and Ubuntu had started from net-installs.

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#60 2015-10-14 10:35:55

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

@Snap: no, apt - get here. It is what I am used to and mostly comfortable with. Every time I try aptitude on unstable I make a mess quite rapidly. smile


Keep BunsenLabs #!yish please.

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#61 2015-10-14 12:03:53

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

ostrolek wrote:

After moving to Sid from Stretch, I cannot use Polish special letters. Before that, I used Polish in Iceweasel, LibreOffice and in terminal. Everything needed for using Polish had been installed.

Maybe worth checking if your "locales" have changed during the upgrade or keyboard configuration.

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#62 2015-10-14 13:28:00

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Locales, keyboard configurations are the same as before.
I shall await another dist-upgrade to see what had happened.

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#63 2015-10-14 18:49:41

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Have you already run these?

dpkg-reconfigure console-data
dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
dpkg-reconfigure locales

or for X:

setxkbmap es  ---> your language code
sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration

Configs sometimes/often don't get through when jumping upwards.

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#64 2015-10-14 18:55:37

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

One more thing, are you in Poland? Don't know how good and fast the Polish mirrors work. The Spanish mirrors are so-so. In Europe I haven't found anything better than the Dutch nluug mirrors. I Use them for any Debian or PCLOS system here. They might worth a try. Updates and upgrades are superfast.

## nluug mirrors -Netherlands ##
deb http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/debian/ sid main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/debian/ sid main non-free contrib

And if you want experimental on:

## Experimental Repos ##
deb http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/debian/ experimental main non-free contrib

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#65 2015-10-14 19:00:51

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Oh, I forgot it. Yet one more thing. For Firefox, Iceweasel, Icedove, libreoffice, etc... you need their respective l10n language packages (polish) aside of the system locales and keyboard configs.

If you have synaptic onboard search for l10n

if not:

apt-cache search l10n

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#66 2015-10-14 21:26:19

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Thanks, Snap.
I don't have console-data installed. The rest had been checked. I had to have all that checked, after getting in to Stretch.  The l10n stuff is there. Only problem right now is not being able to write in Polish in Debian Sid.
Btw, Arch, Debian and Ubuntu mirrors are really good here.

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#67 2015-10-20 19:36:30

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Beware of grub2-common in Sid today.

Be sure to put it on hold or wait to d-u for a while or your system might render unbootable.

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#68 2015-10-20 19:55:28

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Thanks, snap! I'd hold d-u for a while.

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#69 2015-10-20 20:05:11

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

It hit me in two VMs before the bug was even reported. Someone has to be the first one to be hit...

Reinstalled one, it was just a first d-u after a fresh install. Got no bug reports. No boot.

Regular d-u in the second one. No bugs, No boot. I had to revert back to the former version booting from a secondary VDI i've added. This is a serious bug, folks. Now it's reported so sid-life is easy again.

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#70 2015-10-20 20:51:12

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Thanks for the heads up , will look out for it. Did a d-u earlier today but there were no grub there, maybe it will hit my mirror tomorrow. Changed the source list on a 32 bit install to unstable today. A lot to install and upgrade, but then it were not a clean install either. Anyway I did not carry through with it, too many bugs. Will do a clean install and retry with that instead.


Keep BunsenLabs #!yish please.

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#71 2015-10-20 21:45:15

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

AFAIK, Sid gets four updates per day... but no idea how fast this reflects in mirrors.

Changed the source list on a 32 bit install to unstable today. A lot to install and upgrade, but then it were not a clean install either. Anyway I did not carry through with it, too many bugs. Will do a clean install and retry with that instead.

One of the keys for Sid is keeping your system slim. Less chances to get broken packages. Plus, usually smaller systems are easier to mantain and fix. Did you ever noticed that almost anyone rolling has a somewhat slim system? Being a bit minimalist is not a (geek's) choice, it's the way to go when rolling. For the big boys Stable is a better choice.

For these same reasons jumping upwards (ie Stable-to-Unstable) should be made from a fresh (slim) install better than an already very polulated one, unless you want to have some fun fixing things. Not a bad execise at all, BTW. The first time I decided to track Sid when I was using Crunchbang (i was a total rolling noob) it took me three attempts and some full dedicated days to get it right... and of course two fully borked systems. but I've learned a lot in the process.

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#72 2015-10-20 22:00:53

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Did a fresh install of the 32 bit iso, changed the source list to unstable directly this time. Gave apt marching orders, but commanded halt when I read the buglist. I will wait a couple of days to see if things look a little bit better then. smile


Keep BunsenLabs #!yish please.

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#73 2015-10-21 01:00:38

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

You might file these links useful. smile

Be very careful doing d-u on sid atm!

Siduction forum
Upgrade Warnings (DE / EN)

Non-installable packages
Dose Tools
DebianUnstable

Ozi

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#74 2015-10-21 06:36:48

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Thanks for links ozitraveller. Will read up and try again later. This unstable thing is after all just for fun and a possibility for me to exercise myself a bit. My stable installs takes care of the important stuff, so no catastrophe if, or should I say when it breaks. smile


Keep BunsenLabs #!yish please.

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#75 2015-10-21 07:36:22

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Most times my method works; download the deb file, unarchive it, look in the control for dependencies, check if I have them, or if those dependencies installable, then copy & paste the executable files & helper files in the relevant directories, and check whether the app works. Auto-upgrading is like what windoze guys doing. If you are using Sid, you are trying to learn. Have a good time learning, Dolly.

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