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#26 2015-10-07 11:07:46

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

@dolly  Debian recommended proceedure is to install as little software as possible before upgrading. Then upgrade to testing before upgrading to Sid.

What I did was as follows.
Install Hydrogen.
Skip the welcome script.
Update and dist upgrade manually.
Install apt-fast to speed things up for the following upgrades.
Changes sources to testing, then update and dist-upgrade.
Reboot, then change to Sid and update, dist-upgrade again.
Reboot into Sid.
Checked that the system was working ok and then, and only then, started installing the extra things I needed-wanted.

Last edited by Anaconda (2015-10-07 11:58:02)


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#27 2015-10-07 11:47:14

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Thanks for the explanation Anaconda. Will do an install and try it out. Time to cross fingers. smile


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#28 2015-10-07 12:00:56

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

@tknomanzr  Are you sure gdebi is not working? If I try to call "gdebi" from the alt menu nothing happens. If I call gdebi-gtk it works. It also works for me through the right click dialogue in thunar on *.deb packages.


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#29 2015-10-08 11:05:38

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Fingers uncrossed, for now.  wink


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#30 2015-10-08 17:11:26

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

@Anaconda

Then upgrade to testing before upgrading to Sid.

Is there a reason why you upgrade to Sid through Testing?
I have always upgraded Debian from Stable to Sid by simply updating /etc/apt/sources.list on a pure Debian install.

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#31 2015-10-08 18:01:59

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

I wondered about that too. But I did it like that. First to testing, then to Sid. The jump to testing from stable showed a lot of upgrades. However from testing to Sid it were not so many.


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#32 2015-10-08 18:45:49

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

@dolly
Yep...interesting...I just wondered if there is some advantage to using the ->testing -> sid route...
Maybe I am missing something...always possible  wink

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#33 2015-10-08 18:52:48

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

mrneilypops wrote:

I just wondered if there is some advantage to using the ->testing -> sid route...

It is the recommended approach as it keeps the version jumps as low as possible.
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debi … de_upgrade


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#34 2015-10-08 21:07:41

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Thanks for the illuminating link Head_on_a_stick smile


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#35 2015-10-09 06:38:37

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Hmm...I've always upgraded directly from stable to unstable as well.  Good info to know for the future, though.  Thank you to both Anaconda and HoaS for the enlightenment.  I can also vouch for Anaconda's suggestion to install as little software as possible before upgrading from stable to testing/unstable.

dolly wrote:

The jump to testing from stable showed a lot of upgrades. However from testing to Sid it were not so many.

You would have seen as many upgrades, maybe more, had you went from Stable to Unstable/Sid.  Testing and Unstable/Sid are somewhat close as far as package versions.

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#36 2015-10-09 07:08:49

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

I'm going direct (ha! waldorf to jessie to sid) because it's early in the release cycle, so screw it. Still...

686 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 268 not upgraded.
Need to get 333 MB of archives.
After this operation, 47.3 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]

Dang, that's a bunch.  monkey

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#37 2015-10-09 07:27:45

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Python Numpy, the least respected member of the pythons.

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#38 2015-10-09 10:25:06

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

@Head_on_a_Stick
Thanks for the doc...interesting.

For pure Debian Sid I have been using the Debian 'mini' cd in recent times that has an 'expert' option to directly install Sid.

Use netboot "mini.iso" image. You will find it on any of the Debian mirrors under debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-*/current/images/netboot/mini.iso. During the installation choose "Advanced options" -> "Expert install". In the step "Choose a mirror of the Debian archive" choose version "sid - unstable".

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#39 2015-10-09 12:02:01

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Oooops, bugs on the loose today it seems. Better watch out so you don't catch the flu. smile

serious bugs of xserver-xorg-core (2:1.17.2-1.1 → 2:1.17.2-3) <Outstanding>
 b1 - #798097 - Restarting logind kills Xserver
serious bugs of libpam-systemd (226-4 → 227-1) <Pending Upload>
 b2 - #801354 - boot and services fail with "Connection timed out"
serious bugs of systemd (226-4 → 227-1) <Pending Upload>
 b3 - #801361 - [systemd] attempts to unmount filesystems at end of boot, INCLUDING ROOT

Keep BunsenLabs #!yish please.

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#40 2015-10-09 12:24:02

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

CrunchStretch here http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic. … 80#p440380 , the last screeny in the old forum. Maybe, I'd move it to Sid

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#41 2015-10-11 20:57:47

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

dolly wrote:

Oooops, bugs on the loose today it seems. Better watch out so you don't catch the flu. smile

serious bugs of xserver-xorg-core (2:1.17.2-1.1 → 2:1.17.2-3) <Outstanding>
 b1 - #798097 - Restarting logind kills Xserver
serious bugs of libpam-systemd (226-4 → 227-1) <Pending Upload>
 b2 - #801354 - boot and services fail with "Connection timed out"
serious bugs of systemd (226-4 → 227-1) <Pending Upload>
 b3 - #801361 - [systemd] attempts to unmount filesystems at end of boot, INCLUDING ROOT

That's when dpkg selections come to play.

To hold a package

echo packagename hold|dpkg --set-selections

To take a package off Hold

echo packagename install|dpkg --set-selections

To list packages on hold:

dpkg --get-selections | grep hold

In following upgrades you can check if bugs are still there or being fixed (per package)

apt-listbugs list packagename

Also studying the bugs a bit is worthwhile. They might be harmless for your particular system. At this point:

Retrieving bug reports... Done
Parsing Found/Fixed information... Done
 ....
Summary:
 whateverpackage (1 bug)
Are you sure you want to install/upgrade the above packages? [Y/n/?/...] 

Press the w key.

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#42 2015-10-11 21:13:54

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Thanks Snap, you must have been reading my mind, were in fact thinking of searching for exactly that! Will look into it tomorrow, and see what apt  got in line for me. smile


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#43 2015-10-11 21:32:10

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

I don't read minds, I've borked many sidstems LOL

This helps too.

https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic … 2584#p2584

Staying away from the X for critical upgrades (Drivers, Xserver...) is safer. (I stopped borking sidstems this way)

If running X, first logout and hit Ctrl+Alt+F2. In the tty login as root. Then:

init 3
apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
apt-get clean
init 5 && reboot

You can use aptitude instead for even safer (sometimes tedious) upgrades. Specially if using apt pinning instead of dpkg selections.

If you got bugs reported you can also hit w. but you'll need some text based browser for that. Like w3m, links2, lynx, etc...

Last edited by Snap (2015-10-11 21:35:02)

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#44 2015-10-12 08:36:17

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

smxi for system updates,upgrades and maintenance;

http://smxi.org/

choose default kernel,graphics install etc...

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#45 2015-10-12 10:14:47

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

No sign of bugs today, d-u went well. Thanks  all the same guys. Appreciate it! By the way is there any plans about an unstable/testing section of the forums? Or should questions and upgrade warnings go here in off topic, or in help&support other? Or have I missed some vital information about it? smile


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#46 2015-10-12 12:34:49

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

Methinks dolly has a point, you did have a section for those tracking testing/unstable back at the old place.


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#47 2015-10-12 15:41:57

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

dolly & Bearded_Blunder I agree and have posted this in the Development & Suggestions section.

Last edited by Anaconda (2015-10-12 15:42:23)


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#48 2015-10-12 16:23:55

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#49 2015-10-12 16:47:18

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

I have moved the thread to System Administration and changed the title slightly.

EDIT: Stickied it as well (subject to review).

Last edited by Head_on_a_Stick (2015-10-12 16:48:28)


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#50 2015-10-12 16:54:14

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Re: Tracking Debian testing/unstable with BunsenLabs

My bad, I forgot I had those admin rights.  tongue  Thanks HoaS!

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