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#3826 2021-06-01 12:53:29

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

hhh wrote:

Death penalty for parking tickets, that will get rid of a ton of self-entitled assholes right there.

A pity we cannot have public floggings sometimes.

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#3827 2021-06-01 18:38:48

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

Only just read about this. Those tabs!! Does this mean it no longer integrates with the tab style of our GTK theme anymore? If so, we're back at square one again. Moronzilla!!

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#3828 2021-06-01 20:02:59

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

glittersloth wrote:

Only just read about this. Those tabs!! Does this mean it no longer integrates with the tab style of our GTK theme anymore? If so, we're back at square one again. Moronzilla!!

Have to check on Linux. If it's someting worth, this settings combinations seems to (a) retain the old tab look n feel and (b) retain icons in the hamburger menu:

about:config:

browser.proton.contextmenus.enabled	true	
browser.proton.doorhangers.enabled	false	
browser.proton.enabled	false	
browser.proton.modals.enabled	true	
browser.proton.places-tooltip.enabled	false	
browser.proton.toolbar.version	3	

BTW this has been now released world wide on June 1st with the firefox 89 update.

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#3829 2021-06-02 05:50:51

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^ Thanks for that, but it seems these switches will be dropped in the near future.
Won't even make it to the next ESR; https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1709425#c2

Grim and a bit insensitive, but I'm sharing anyway;

someone on a comments section somewhere wrote:

The new design is adapted to cognitive and functional decline in COVID-19 survivors.

Haven't updated to FF89 yet. I'm currently on UbuntuLTS so it'll probably take a few days to make its way down to the repos. I generally don't judge before I've tried, but those tabs really do look awful.

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#3830 2021-06-02 07:51:14

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I updated yesterday and no complaints from me. The new tabs are a big change but I actually quite like them. I would hardly say that FF88 was a UI masterpiece...

Is the problem with the tabs that they don't look like tabs in a IRL paper folder any more? See "toxic skeuomorphism" here: https://davidyat.es/2021/01/10/death-to-the-document/

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#3831 2021-06-02 09:05:35

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The good folks at the Firefox Gnome theme have updated everything to normal. But on Windows, where Firefox used to look pretty good, this is jut plain murder.

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#3832 2021-06-02 10:27:33

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Jimbo_G wrote:

Is the problem with the tabs that they don't look like tabs in a IRL paper folder any more? See "toxic skeuomorphism" here: https://davidyat.es/2021/01/10/death-to-the-document/

Weak contrast, more stolen screen real estate, pale on pale, the usual new school design inefficiencies. At least on Windows that is, I think GTK theming kind of improves on this, but I'm running the Gnome theme for Firefox on Linux, so I can't say. The tabs themselves are not bad, but everything else blows.

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#3833 2021-06-02 11:03:50

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

el_koraco wrote:

I think GTK theming kind of improves on this, but I'm running the Gnome theme for Firefox on Linux, so I can't say. The tabs themselves are not bad, but everything else blows.

What exactly does "Gnome theme for Firefox" mean? Stock FF without GTK integration, or the stock distro theme (usually Yaru or Adwaita)? From everything I've read, FF89 will use it's new floaty rounded tabs even if your system GTK has a different tab style. Screenshot if you don't mind, with something else like Nautilus with tabs open for comparison?

Edit:
Oh, did you mean this?
https://github.com/rafaelmardojai/firefox-gnome-theme
That actually looks quite alright. Very Epiphany-esque. Where do the extension icons go though?

Last edited by glittersloth (2021-06-02 14:45:41)

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#3834 2021-06-02 14:46:52

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

glittersloth wrote:

^ Thanks for that, but it seems these switches will be dropped in the near future.
Won't even make it to the next ESR; https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1709425#c2

Grim and a bit insensitive, but I'm sharing anyway;

someone on a comments section somewhere wrote:

The new design is adapted to cognitive and functional decline in COVID-19 survivors.

Haven't updated to FF89 yet. I'm currently on UbuntuLTS so it'll probably take a few days to make its way down to the repos. I generally don't judge before I've tried, but those tabs really do look awful.

Lol at work today the helpdesk pushed the update to about 2000 users in 3 different locations, a lot of users didn't like it, they complained in the helpdesk Teams channel quite a bit.

Our helpdesk ships Chrome, Firefox & Edge on all platforms (macOS + Windows). Most users are likely gonna switch to Edge! Which has VERTICAL TABS boy! (Couldn't care less about telemetry/privacy on the work computer anyway.)

Really sad to see how hard they are working at halving their market share again.

Personally, at work, the only remaining feature that keeps me on Firefox is container tabs, which are essential if you work with 4 AWS accounts at the same time.

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#3835 2021-06-02 18:44:22

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sad  Looks like FireFox is going to go up in flames.

Instead of distro-hopping the new activity: browser-hopping


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#3836 2021-06-02 19:07:22

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glittersloth wrote:

Edit:
Oh, did you mean this?
https://github.com/rafaelmardojai/firefox-gnome-theme
That actually looks quite alright. Very Epiphany-esque. Where do the extension icons go though?

Yessir, that is what I mean. It is meant to mimic Epiphany to the last detail, but you only get an Adwaita version. The extensions icons go where ever you want them. They get their own little white rectangle, like the menu or downloads or navigation icons.

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#3837 2021-06-02 19:42:36

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When theming something so it looks like GNOME improves it you know it is going down in flames.

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#3838 2021-06-02 20:42:35

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jeffreyC wrote:

When theming something so it looks like GNOME improves it you know it is going down in flames.

+1

BTW I am on ff nightly from time to time (on bunsenlabs) and quit like the look too! I like it round...

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#3839 2021-06-03 04:24:48

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I'm sorry, what are you all on about? FF 89.0 looks fine here, except for the chopped tail fox icon (I dislike it a lot, but it's fine)...

g4rUuwAt.png

Thanks for the heads up, firefox-esr is gone from my system.

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#3840 2021-06-03 06:33:35

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firefox-esr is still 78 on Debian:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keyw … ection=all
That's fine with me, but I suppose 89 will come sooner or later...


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#3841 2021-06-03 06:51:03

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After a day spent working with it, I prefer FF89, both on my Windows work laptop and on my BL system with the default BL theme. I do agree that the default FF dark theme is lacking in contrast, and the default light theme is not much better. Luckily there are thousands of themes to choose from wink

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#3842 2021-06-03 07:23:55

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Ok for me, I ´ll get used to it. Is there really any alternative?


A bit nerdy, trying to grow up.

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#3843 2021-06-05 05:28:55

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Re: Completely Off Topic Chat

johnraff wrote:

firefox-esr is still 78 on Debian:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keyw … ection=all
That's fine with me, but I suppose 89 will come sooner or later...

glittersloth wrote:

it seems these switches will be dropped in the near future.
Won't even make it to the next ESR; https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1709425#c2

I stopped worrying about this BS long ago. ESR it is.
Admittedly, some of the not-so-good changes make it into ESR, too, but it's been a significantly less bumpy ride.
Admittedly, sometimes I have to search for yet another hidden setting to disable some "improvement", but it's the same with, say, GNOME, or any other of the 2 large browsers available to us.


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#3844 2021-06-05 05:40:43

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Update on my FF89 beatdown;

I tried that Firefox-Gnome-Theme @el_k mentioned but didn't end up liking it, despite thinking I would. For one, it's designed for Adwaita, meaning Adwaita GTK and icons. I'm okay with the GTK (referring to the dark version, obviously) since it's got decent contrast and has some HIG conformation, but hate the icons with a passion. If I use that fix with my preferred icons, Papirus, the browser navigation buttons are fuzzy and darkened (documented in the readme). The other reason is that the padding is just to big. Probably okay for a large desktop monitor, but not a 13" 1080p laptop screen.

I settled on this instead;
https://github.com/black7375/Firefox-UI-Fix (Proton style)
https://github.com/black7375/Firefox-UI … oton-style (what I'm using)
Not perfect, but for me it's the best compromise at this point in time. The fastest way is to just turn on the disable.proton switches in about:config, but those will be deprecated in FF90, so I figured fixing it via userChrome.css here will at least provide more mileage. Not sure how it fares for those of you who already employ a custom user.js though.

Fwiw, I actually like a lot of what the new Proton UI offers. In isolation, I like the neon colors and some of the new dialogs. Trouble is, I can't review it in isolation. If I wanted every application looking like its own island, I'd just use the insult to human dignity that is Windows. On Linux, I expect a certain level of consistency across the desktop. Tab style of my browser should match the tab style of my file manager, for instance. I realize the days of total uniformity died when they moved to GTK3 (did I mention I loathe CSS), so I'm probably fighting a losing battle here, like a Tamil Tiger in Sri Lanka. I figure by the time that happens I'll have moved to an iPad Pro as laptop replacement anyway (because FF might be dead by then at the rate they're going), and have Linux relegated to VPS droplets, HTPC and routers.

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#3845 2021-06-05 06:00:20

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glittersloth wrote:

when they moved to GTK3 (did I mention I loathe CSS)

I loathe when they use CSS for everything - it's good for what it's intended for.
And to be fair, GTK2 theming was already pretty close to actual CSS - but it had "engines", which they just dropped in GTK3, which was just another of those shitty GNOME moves.
But what I loathe infinitely more is javascript - and AFIU most of GNOME is written in javascript!!1!!


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#3846 2021-06-05 07:27:37

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glittersloth wrote:

I'm probably fighting a losing battle here, like a Tamil Tiger in Sri Lanka. I figure by the time that happens I'll have moved to an iPad Pro as laptop replacement anyway (because FF might be dead by then at the rate they're going), and have Linux relegated to VPS droplets, HTPC and routers.

You have been threatening to ditch Linux since at least 2015.

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#3847 2021-06-05 08:25:34

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el_koraco wrote:

You have been threatening to ditch Linux since at least 2015.

Well, I’m running Ubuntu with Gnome now, so halfway there already?

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#3848 2021-06-05 09:36:31

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Ubuntu is a decent distro, I never understood the hate. The LTS versions are extremely reliable, I've never had any breakage there.

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#3849 2021-06-05 10:12:38

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el_koraco wrote:

I never understood the hate.

Me, either. Some folks have nothing better to do than to hate on Ubuntu, GNOME, whatever. Kubuntu has proven to be useful here, but I'm typing this from GNOME in Bullseye. I actually feel just as comfortable using GNOME Shell as I do with Openbox or anything else. (Shrugs.)

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#3850 2021-06-05 10:39:35

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el_koraco wrote:

Ubuntu is a decent distro, I never understood the hate.

Snap package calculator!!

Back when snaps were first introduced, some healthy young people got turned into that Titanic Lady waiting for the calculator to launch.

Situation is better now, but their youth never returned. The wrinkles don't go away. Just ask Sector11. =P

Remove snaps (unless you really need some proprietary application for work) and you should be golden though.

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